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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 2:05 am
(May 16, 2011 at 1:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Thanks CC, very interesting.
Well I might disagree about the highly intelligent people bit! 
The only difference to me is... sound theology: is what nut job religions lack.
I know people who are very Godly, who look to live their lives in tune with God and who can express themselves in relation to God. They appear anything but delusional. They are sincere people who live out their belief like the ancient people in the bible did. Thinking of the world with God integral to it.
Do I claim knowledge of an afterlife? No. Do I concede the possibility given sound theological reasoning? Yes.
What do you mean by "next stage of existence"? Are you talking about your re-incarnation?
I really don't know. Re-incarnation is a fun idea because of the now common adage - "you have an old soul", but I don't have a working theory/belief on what that next stage might be. Honestly, after studying religion for 20 years -- I just don't care.
My life I control. My death is inevitable, but my soul is not my concern. I cannot control it anymore than I control the rotation of the earth. I leave it to God ... and if I'm wrong, so be it. I have more peace with this sentiment than I have ever come close to knowing prior.
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 3:38 am
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 7:48 am
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(May 16, 2011 at 2:05 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I really don't know. Re-incarnation is a fun idea because of the now common adage - "you have an old soul", but I don't have a working theory/belief on what that next stage might be. Honestly, after studying religion for 20 years -- I just don't care.
My life I control. My death is inevitable, but my soul is not my concern. I cannot control it anymore than I control the rotation of the earth. I leave it to God ... and if I'm wrong, so be it. I have more peace with this sentiment than I have ever come close to knowing prior. Cool I can dig that. I must admit to much the same attitude. I think we're aware of spiritual reality (funny oxymoron ). Perhaps that's our spirit/ soul. I think Xtian Orthadoxy would agree with you about part of us being outside our control.
(May 16, 2011 at 3:38 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Ah, in that case I understand you a little better, but I'm also more confused. Spirit and soul, what's the difference?
Since I don't believe in anything metaphysical either, I'm suggesting that if the soul was a real thing, then it could be proven. Perhaps not by any branch of science we know today, but who knows what we might discover in the future. Soul in some definitions is fully human. There's lots of mention (in the bible) of feeding the soul. And even losing the soul to follow Christ (I saw yesterday - must cross check that one(maybe someone else could expand)). Where the spirit is part of God (God being father son and spirit) and our likeness to him. Our spirit can be empty (denial of God) or open to it. As I understand.
The Christian premise is that God is provable via logic. Necessarily pertaining to the personal.
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 3:27 pm
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm
So is it only the bible you discount as intellectual evidence or do you discount all intellectual evidence?  Hehe 
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 5:09 pm
(May 16, 2011 at 7:48 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The Christian premise is that God is provable via logic. It is??? 
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Of course it is *beats Nimzo with a stick* (oops - this isn't chat  )
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RE: The Soul
May 16, 2011 at 6:05 pm
(May 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Of course it is *beats Nimzo with a stick* (oops - this isn't chat )  Oh, well I'll take your word for it then!
*applies melon vigorously to fr0d0's bonce*
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RE: The Soul
May 17, 2011 at 3:33 am
*accepts melon and realises his mistake*
Ok I retract the statement.
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RE: The Soul
May 17, 2011 at 8:49 am
(May 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So is it only the bible you discount as intellectual evidence or do you discount all intellectual evidence? Hehe
I don't count the Bible (or any of the other holy scriptures) as a scientific text, thus not as evidence. As for the intellectual part; there's great philosophical wisdom in the Bible, but also a lot of folly. I imagine that is what happens when one collects a lot of writings from different authors and put them toghether between one cover.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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