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Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
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RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
(June 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Imagine an age where everyone can use their heads and discard ancient beliefs. Imagine an age where long life, advanced technology and a bright future is in easy reach. Imagine an age where bible nuts don't knock on your fucking door early in the morning to spread bullshit. Imagine an age where religious wackos all over kept their delusions to themselves. Imagine an age where extremists don't run around with a Qu'ran in their hands, blowing people up and flying planes into buildings.

Imagine an age where we all just grew the fuck up!

Actually: I can imagine much of that, even much of that within my life time, just not without a balance to replace it with.
(June 12, 2011 at 6:50 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:
Quote:Most of the Greatest men is human history have very many things to say about imagination
Imagination is fine, just don't let it delude and overwhelm you. Not everything you imagine is sane and realistic.
Quote:James Randi:
Enjoy the fantasy, the fun, the stories
But make sure that there's a clear sharp line
Drawn on the floor
To do otherwise is to embrace madness

Quote:Your not saying much, still the World and Universe is 99% unknown to us, have you given up working on it?
You're not exactly paving the way of knowledge are ya?
Make a simple rule: Everything you imagine, must be healthy and honest for me and others before putting it on the market
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#12
RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
(June 12, 2011 at 6:53 pm)Castle Wrote: Make a simple rule: Everything you imagine, must be healthy and honest for me and others before putting it on the market

How this for a rule: Everything you imagine must be consistent with reality. Of course, you can have fun imagining the impossible, but don't delude yourself to believing it to be real.
Not everything we dream is possible.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#13
RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
(June 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm)Castle Wrote: Do you know the song: Me and my Arrow

Are you one of those people who live in the small village called: Point

You communicate like Helen Keller on LSD.

Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#14
RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
I can use my imagination. I've created an elaborate scheme of gods, alternate planes and afterlife for my epic fantasy D&D campaign that's far more plausible and sensible than anything Islamo-Christianity has made.

I wanted to create something simple, yet carefully thought out. My problem with the D&D cosmology was there were too many deities and too many planes. It all seemed needlessly complex. Still, there needed to be enough gods to cover all the bases in what is a complex fantasy environment. I managed to boil it all down to 8 deities and 5 planes.

The back story is that the universe came to be from the joining of two of the oldest deities in existence. I glossed over where these two came from or who or what created them. I just wrote in the creation story that "neither one could remember anything from the time before they met, as if their lives hadn't truly begun until they completed each other. Their names came to be known as "Baateza" and "Tanaros" (D&D players will know where I'm going with this just by their not so original names. Hey, I'm bad with names. My wife has said it's the weakest part of my story telling ability).

The two at first were a happy family with five children deities. Then life began to develop intelligence and the trouble started. They began fighting over how to encourage the mortals to achieve their best potential and both thought they alone had the authority to make that decision. Baateza (who's nature is modeled after the Biblical god) felt that her wisdom would guide the mortals. Discipline, order and obedience would be the key to their future. Tanaros thought laws would only interfere with the natural process of evolution. Chaos and conflict would ensure the strongest would survive. This is the reason for the "Blood War" between the demons and devils. It was the worst divorce in history.

Two of the other gods, Gaia and Sol, were horrified by how the creators had fallen into darkness. They led a rebellion among the servitors to save the mortals. Devils who joined Sol became angels while demons that joined Gaia became nature spirits. I flipped the usual good vs. evil story in that the creators were evil and the rebels were good.

Roughly the cosmology was the stage for a three-cornered war, good vs. lawful evil vs. chaotic evil. As D&D players might expect, Sol is the god for paladins, good clerics and good monks while Gaia is the goddess for good druids and good rangers.

The afterlife was designed to be self-sustaining. Souls of the recently deceased are taken by the god "Death" and drawn along the River Acheron to his plane called "Oblivion". Souls emerge from Oblivion and are carried by Death along the River Lethe into the Mortal Plane, released into the wombs of expectant mothers ("the first kick" is the sign this happened). No one knows what happens in Oblivion. Any character slain can't be raised once the soul enters Oblivion.

See, I can write a better religion than any of these "prophets" could and I dare say mine makes more sense.
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RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
DP,

Maybe you are a prophet and your "fiction" is actually the way reality is and Gods are speaking to you right now and you simply lack the confidence to believe you are the mouthpiece of objective reality! Ok, either that or imagination is just a way to create imaginary things.
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#16
RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
How this for a rule: Everything you imagine must be consistent with reality. Of course, you can have fun imagining the impossible, but don't delude yourself to believing it to be real.
Not everything we dream is possible.
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I've been thriving as an artist for 36 years; very few artist of any kind can even survive this long. How is that reality possible without thinking like............?

Few people have the imagination for reality and logic and reason can die off quickly. Your knowledge has limits but your imagination dose not. Reason respects differences, and imagination has a perceptible likeness of things. It’s an act not of reason but an intuition, Imagination is the eye of the soul and the voice of the daring.
(June 12, 2011 at 7:35 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:
(June 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm)Castle Wrote: Do you know the song: Me and my Arrow

Are you one of those people who live in the small village called: Point

You communicate like Helen Keller on LSD.

I know of the me and my Arrow story

Helen Keller on LSD. you made that up, right,, keep working on your amateur imagination skills, someday you may become a pro like me.
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#17
RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
I would personally get bored, I would more than happy to end my existence, after say the first billion years of eternity (if I am interpret the concept correctly), if not much sooner.
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RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
(June 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I can use my imagination. I've created an elaborate scheme of gods, alternate planes and afterlife for my epic fantasy D&D campaign that's far more plausible and sensible than anything Islamo-Christianity has made.

See, I can write a better religion than any of these "prophets" could and I dare say mine makes more sense.

I think there are hunreds of good books out there that make better sense than the Bible.
The could very well be the greatest BS story ever told

I perfer Cat and the Hat or Wizard of OZ myself
(June 12, 2011 at 8:32 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: DP,

Maybe you are a prophet and your "fiction" is actually the way reality is and Gods are speaking to you right now and you simply lack the confidence to believe you are the mouthpiece of objective reality! Ok, either that or imagination is just a way to create imaginary things.

Most of the deep trouble I find in life, can be sourced back to my mind,
When you lead with my heart and imagination, shortly followed by the mind - turns out better in the long run

If it dose’nt, I cast out into the Universe my deep question, (God is just a word) then finally find what I am wanting,
The only time its fail is because I didn’t want it enough in the first place
...and give 5% error
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RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
Issuing another PID.




christ! Can I call it or can I Call it ... Post #15
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RE: Imagine a spiritual age, where the world never ends
(June 12, 2011 at 9:29 pm)Ziggystardust Wrote: I would personally get bored, I would more than happy to end my existence, after say the first billion years of eternity (if I am interpret the concept correctly), if not much sooner.

You don't think smiling down on hell forever would be entertaining
Maybe your right, if my mind was lost on a funny farm forever, I would ask God to pull the plug too.
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