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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 17, 2011 at 9:57 pm
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yup, until the intersubjectively verifiable data evidenced by the scientific method (and perhaps peer reviewed) is there I shall carry on with my first impression of thinking you are mad.
Some people would not believe they got laid unless the incident was peer reviewed. The situation in Plato's cave with these type of assertions is that they are in reality one idiot calling another idiot and idiot. It may feel better when accompanied by good scotch but it is still meaningless.
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 18, 2011 at 5:49 am
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(June 16, 2011 at 11:30 pm)Nick_A Wrote: Can a believer and non believer be open to the possibility that their supernatural part is yet to be awakened?
Believer in what? Your religion, or mine? Or someone else?
My presumption here is you use the term "believer" to mean "Christianity." I do not relish the awakening of my Christian neighbours' beliefs. When they do that, they tend to come 'round to my people with pitchforks and torches. In the name of Jesus's love, of course.
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 18, 2011 at 8:09 am
(June 17, 2011 at 3:15 pm)Nick_A Wrote: "...It is not for man to seek, or even to believe in God. He has only to refuse to believe in everything that is not God. This refusal does not presuppose belief. It is enough to recognize, what is obvious to any mind, that all the goods of this world, past, present, or future, real or imaginary, are finite and limited and radically incapable of satisfying the desire which burns perpetually with in us for an infinite and perfect good... It is not a matter of self-questioning or searching. A man has only to persist in his refusal, and one day or another God will come to him."
-- Weil, Simone, ON SCIENCE, NECESSITY, AND THE LOVE OF GOD, edited by Richard Rees, London, Oxford University Press, 1968.- © [/b]
Stop quoting things like this as fact to back up your position. It's an opinion, nothing more and no good in any case.
" the desire which burns perpetually with in us for an infinite and perfect good"; does it now? Really?
" It is not for man to seek, or even to believe in God. He has only to refuse to believe in everything that is not God." Well this is just linguistic fun and games.
" A man has only to persist in his refusal, and one day or another God will come to him." In other words, look for patterns in the clouds, and you'll find them.
Nonsense.
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 18, 2011 at 9:03 am
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(June 17, 2011 at 8:56 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: (June 17, 2011 at 8:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Um...I have not copyrighted the word, dear.
True. However: your post count and personality back up your using 'Evidence' to simplify a greater statement. What you say is certain, it's a known quantity. You speak your own language. Etc 
When a random person asks for evidence, it's not necessarily intersubjectively verifiable data evidenced by the scientific method. Ie: I've heard plenty of religious people settle for 'personal evidence' when asked for evidence.
However, religious people usually belong at the funny farm... and "personal evidence" as a term means absolutely nothing to me.
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 18, 2011 at 9:44 am
It does seem that the natural unity in purpose of spititual belief and disbelief outside the confines of Plato's cave doesn't go over here. At least you are honest.
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 18, 2011 at 1:56 pm
(June 18, 2011 at 9:03 am)frankiej Wrote: However, religious people usually belong at the funny farm... and "personal evidence" as a term means absolutely nothing to me.
It is evidence, like any other evidence.
Hence why one must specify what the 'evidence' they are looking for is. I look out my window and see evidence that it is going to rain today. The evidence is that the trees are green.
Specification, specification, specification, specification...
Or the likes of me will fuck you over by doing precisely what you said.
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 18, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Frankie
However, religious people usually belong at the funny farm... and "personal evidence" as a term means absolutely nothing to me.
You remind me of the guy who hasn't eaten all day and then senses he is hungry. He refuses to believe it and wrrites down the facts as he knows them relating to this experience. The truth of whether he is hungry or not will be determined by a peer review released by his friends after deep discussion. In respect to the truth and being suspicious of personal evidence, he will refuse to believe he is hungry or eat until the results of the peer review are released.
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 19, 2011 at 3:00 pm
"intersubjectively verifiable data evidenced by the scientific method", I shall keep this phrase at hand then ;P
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 19, 2011 at 9:42 pm
(June 19, 2011 at 3:00 pm)frankiej Wrote: "intersubjectively verifiable data evidenced by the scientific method", I shall keep this phrase at hand then ;P
Say it often and especially when having sex. It really gets em going.
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RE: A Question for Believers and Non Believers
June 19, 2011 at 9:52 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2011 at 9:52 pm by Epimethean.)
Religion isn't a search for truth: It is the satisfaction with the truth being out of reach and the creation of a smoke and mirror show to keep the oppressed reproducing.
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