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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 24, 2011 at 7:11 pm
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(June 24, 2011 at 6:45 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: (June 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm)TheYoungAtheist Wrote: Exactly. Christians say "god's" love is such an amazing thing! I bet that starving child in Africa is feeling the love.
They'll burble on about free will for hours. You have free will to choose, between loving a divine being or being punished forever. Love somebody you fear, the essence of sadomasochism. Hitchens had it right.
Can god foresee what your will choose in your freedom to choose? If not, how is he omniscient? If he could, then how is your choice free? and why are you responsible for making a choice which he, in alledgedly creating you, had always known you would make? Either god made you to go to hell, or he is neither omniscient nor omnipotent and there is therefore at least a liar and pretender.
However, coming back to the original thread, the reason why it is not as simple as asking "why" is this: By asking "why", all you can prove is god does not possess all the attributes granted him by his brainless groupies and therefore christians who claim to know god really know jack shit. However, just by asking "why" You can not prove, nor even demonstrate any high degree of likelihood, that some entity somewhat resembling god sufficiently to overawe the gullible does not indeed exist. Then the issue devolve into is there something beyond pure fiction in the basis of christianity.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 24, 2011 at 7:37 pm
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(June 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm)TheYoungAtheist Wrote: Quote:Love me, or burn in hell forever. Some choice. Some love.
Exactly. Christians say "god's" love is such an amazing thing! I bet that starving child in Africa is feeling the love. I take it that since you're asking a new "why" question, your other questions are dismissed?
I guess the why question wins if it never stops to take an answer 
...but it would be more correctly identified as the  proof
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 24, 2011 at 7:39 pm
(June 24, 2011 at 7:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm)TheYoungAtheist Wrote: Quote:Love me, or burn in hell forever. Some choice. Some love.
Exactly. Christians say "god's" love is such an amazing thing! I bet that starving child in Africa is feeling the love. I take it that since you're asking a new "why" question, your other questions are dismissed?
I guess the why question wins if it never stops to take an answer
I wasn't trying to answer or ask a question, just pointing out the nonsense of god's love. That's if this was addressed to me.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 24, 2011 at 7:42 pm
That's ok BH, I understand. Damn good question too if you ask me.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 24, 2011 at 10:40 pm
(June 24, 2011 at 6:42 pm)Napoleon Wrote: (June 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm)TheYoungAtheist Wrote: Exactly. Christians say "god's" love is such an amazing thing! I bet that starving child in Africa is feeling the love.
Don't be silly! It's their own fault for starving! Not gods!
Tax cuts for the rich will solve their problems!
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 25, 2011 at 3:01 am
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(June 24, 2011 at 5:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Yes God did create an angel named Lucifer, however Lucifer made himself into the evil being he has become, like you he chose to use his freewill in the wrong way.
How come your fucking god didn't know how it would turn out? A tad weak on the all-knowing, all-seeing shit, huh? Why would you worship such an imperfect being? Does it remind your of yourself?
Your god is either an inept fucker or he is an evil twit. You choose. I don't care.
He knew exactly how it would turn out, that's why the plan of salvation existed before creation. I worship the one and only God, who is perfect in every way and has promised that one day I to can live perfectly.
(June 24, 2011 at 5:09 pm)Napoleon Wrote: (June 24, 2011 at 4:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: God did not give man the ability to be violent, that is the direct result of the original sin.
But in order to commit the original sin god gave man the ABILITY to sin. Right? And being all knowing, god knew that when he gave man this ability that man WOULD sin. He also knew this would lead to violence.
Whatever you end up saying you cannot get away from the fact that if your god is really all you say he is, then one way or another, he gave man the ability to be violent. Frankly it's absurd that you even deny it.
The only thing which comes to mind is HERP DERP.
Yes, God did give man the choice to sin when He gave man freewill, however, it was man who made the choice to disobey his Creator, God never tempted man into sin if He had then God would be responsible for man's actions. About your statement on God's omniscients, He knew all things before He created, even though He knew we would screw up everything he created us and why because He loved us before the beginning of time. God's love can not be denied!
Man chose to be violent and the resposibility for this violence lay at the foot of mankind, for God did not tempt man into sin, man chose to fall to temptation itself which caused man to disobey God which is what sin is. I really do not expect you to understand this because you do not believe in God, regardless this is how it turned out.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 25, 2011 at 8:26 am
(June 25, 2011 at 3:01 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes, God did give man the choice to sin when He gave man freewill, however, it was man who made the choice to disobey his Creator, God never tempted man into sin if He had then God would be responsible for man's actions. About your statement on God's omniscients, He knew all things before He created, even though He knew we would screw up everything he created us and why because He loved us before the beginning of time. God's love can not be denied!
Man chose to be violent and the resposibility for this violence lay at the foot of mankind, for God did not tempt man into sin, man chose to fall to temptation itself which caused man to disobey God which is what sin is. I really do not expect you to understand this because you do not believe in God, regardless this is how it turned out.
I see god also "created" you a willfully ignorant moron. There's just no reasoning with people who don't want to reason.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 25, 2011 at 8:35 am
"He knew exactly how it would turn out, that's why the plan of salvation existed before creation. I worship the one and only God, who is perfect in every way and has promised that one day I to can live perfectly."
I get this picture in my mind, "In case of fire extinguisher, strike match."
Dumbest god ever. Sadly, lots of dumb people go in for the kool aid.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 25, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Quote:He knew exactly how it would turn out, that's why the plan of salvation existed before creation.
Then you worship an inept twit. Congratulations. You have made god in your own image.
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RE: Debunking Christianity? It's actually quite as simple as asking "why?"
June 26, 2011 at 5:03 pm
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(June 25, 2011 at 8:26 am)Napoleon Wrote: (June 25, 2011 at 3:01 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes, God did give man the choice to sin when He gave man freewill, however, it was man who made the choice to disobey his Creator, God never tempted man into sin if He had then God would be responsible for man's actions. About your statement on God's omniscients, He knew all things before He created, even though He knew we would screw up everything he created us and why because He loved us before the beginning of time. God's love can not be denied!
Man chose to be violent and the resposibility for this violence lay at the foot of mankind, for God did not tempt man into sin, man chose to fall to temptation itself which caused man to disobey God which is what sin is. I really do not expect you to understand this because you do not believe in God, regardless this is how it turned out.
I see god also "created" you a willfully ignorant moron. There's just no reasoning with people who don't want to reason.
From my world view I can apply the same to you.
(June 25, 2011 at 8:35 am)Epimethean Wrote: "He knew exactly how it would turn out, that's why the plan of salvation existed before creation. I worship the one and only God, who is perfect in every way and has promised that one day I to can live perfectly."
I get this picture in my mind, "In case of fire extinguisher, strike match."
Dumbest god ever. Sadly, lots of dumb people go in for the kool aid.
Nothing wrong with Kool-Aid, what is wrong here is your reasoning, it's nonexistant!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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