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Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 10:30 am
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EvidenceVsFaith
An oximoran in a name 
If you have evidence of something, you wouldn't need to also have faith in it. Faith can only exist in something that isn't proven.
Likewise doubt and faith are co-dependant. If you had no doubt; if you were sure of something, then again, faith becomes obsolete.
Doubt needs questioning, if you don't question you don't doubt. You're sure.
To require evidence of God is therefore ridiculous. Belief in God requires faith, doubt and questioning.
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 10:52 am
How is it an oximoron? His username is "EvidenceVsFaith". In other words, evidence versus faith. In other words (in case you still don't get it), a reference to the battle between the rational (who use evidence) and the faithful (who use faith). EvidenceVsFaith sides with the rational side.
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 10:59 am
Hi
I wasn't so serious with that - yes I understand what it means - it remains a nonsensical battle.
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:08 am
The 'battle' between Evidence and Faith is about which one is best able to present an accurate representation of the world.
"Evolution isn't a matter of belief. It is a scientific fact that you can either accept, or you're an idiot." - My humble self.
Come along to Herd-of-Cats to talk about whatever the hell you like.
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:15 am
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(March 1, 2009 at 10:30 am)fr0d0 Wrote: To require evidence of Invisible Pink Unicorns is therefore ridiculous. Belief in Invisible Pink Unicorns requires faith(belief without evidence as there is no evidence), doubt (as you are probably wrong) and questioning (with no evidence to back up the answers to said questions).
I think I get what you mean
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:18 am
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(March 1, 2009 at 11:15 am)LukeMC Wrote: questioning (with no evidence to back up the answers to said questions). Slam dunk 
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:27 am
faith -noun
belief that is not based on proof:belief that is not based on proof
evidence -noun
that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
And you say they aren't in conflict?
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:32 am
Is faith a noun? a noun is a thing, faith is something you have when you don't have anything.
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:34 am
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(March 1, 2009 at 11:32 am)Demonaura Wrote: Is faith a noun? a noun is a thing, faith is something you have when you don't have anything. "A noun is the name of a person, place, thing, or idea."
(March 1, 2009 at 11:08 am)Even Adam Wrote: The 'battle' between Evidence and Faith is about which one is best able to present an accurate representation of the world. Only if you accept statements about faith as statements of evidence 
(March 1, 2009 at 11:27 am)Tiberius Wrote: faith -noun
belief that is not based on proof:belief that is not based on proof
evidence -noun
that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
And you say they aren't in conflict? I believe I exist. I believe God exists. One I can have proof of, the other I can't. Where's the conflict?
(sorry.. getting used to quoting system!)
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RE: Evidence that God exists
March 1, 2009 at 11:51 am
(March 1, 2009 at 10:30 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If you have evidence of something, you wouldn't need to also have faith in it. Faith can only exist in something that isn't proven.
Likewise doubt and faith are co-dependant. If you had no doubt; if you were sure of something, then again, faith becomes obsolete.
Doubt needs questioning, if you don't question you don't doubt. You're sure.
To require evidence of God is therefore ridiculous. Belief in God requires faith, doubt and questioning.
Oh come on! With a topic title like yours I thought there might be a decent argument, instead you offer the lamest reasons people give for god. Please, do you think we have not heard this theistic drivel.
Faith is the cope out people have for reason. Faith is when you don't consider your beliefs logically and rationally. If God requires you to be illogical and unreasonable in your worldview then that's not god worth worshiping.
Also, you analogy of doubt and faith fail. People assert that they believe in god because the "know". A lot of theists will assert that they do not doubt there is a god.
To say god does not require evidence is to say that your god is exempt from the laws of reason. You're making a special exemption where none is deserved. It's a weak attempt at stopping people from looking at the god question.
You're right that god deserves questioning, but not in the way that you think. At the end of those questions there needs to be evidence, and there simply is none.
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