The only rational problem with Atheism

[thebigfudge]

I don't see the problem. everything in this planet is a by product of natural process. Why not abiogenesis. I wish people would stop trying to use human ignorance as an excuse for God.

Its nor ignorance. Its observation !

[xonage]

Theist claim God was the first cause, and Atheist claim God doesn't exist. Theist pretend to know the answer to this question, where Atheist pretend the question doesnt matter or doesn't exist.

[Minimalist]

You really don't get it do you?

Theist pretend to know the answer to this question,

That part you get right.

where Atheist pretend the question doesnt matter or doesn't exist.

Not knowing an answer does not mean it doesn't matter or exist. In fact, there are plenty of scientists working on the question as we speak. That they do not have an answer DOES NOT mean that a lot of silly religious shit has any validity.

[Koldaramor]

In ancient times they would say was Zeus lightning. Then he proved lightning clouds.
Said Muhammad, Allah makes the clouds and lightning to kill infidels.
Today at lightning proved to be entirely a natural event. Science develops, religion will be lost. The last defense of the religion, what was there before big bang.

[xonage]

Relax guys. I have never been on this forum, am not a troll etc. Some of you probably spend way too much time on here. Anyway, I dont think because we dont know, that God did it. I already said I dont believe in God as a creator, because he would have to be incompetent, or a vindictive a$$hole. But the goddidit answer is about as useless as the goddidntdoit answer.

We know man made up God. We know evolution is a fact. These are answered dead topics. What we dont know is what is important. How can something come from nothing?

[Ace Otana]

Theist claim God was the first cause, and Atheist claim God doesn't exist. Theist pretend to know the answer to this question, where Atheist pretend the question doesnt matter or doesn't exist.

I as an atheist am no claiming that god doesn't exist. I simply rejected the claim theists have put forth.

The question matters only if you desire the correct answer to it. There is nothing wrong in admitting that you don't know.

---

How can something come from nothing?

It probably didn't. We just don't know.

[DaveD]

When theists invoke their god or gods, they're saying that they don't know either, they're just trying to hide the fact.

[SleepingDemon]

Something didn't come from nothing. The universe is about change, not creation. There is X amount of energy/mass in the universe, and it is eternal. So where everything came from isn't a valid question. The big bang is interesting, the process is interesting, and someday perhaps we will understand that process. But it really has nothing to do with atheism.

If by some chance white holes exist, which is doubtful, it doesn't negate the position of atheism, nor does it vindicate theism, as neither of the latter have anything to do with the theory, nor the truth concerning the process. It did not come from a god, therefore atheism and theism have nothing to do with it.

[Epimethean]

You really are far afield with your assertions, xonage. You seem to understand the theistic position suspiciously well, but you are having major problems in your conflation of atheism with science. Very few atheists would claim that the question of how it all began does not matter.

[Doubting Thomas]

What we dont know is what is important. How can something come from nothing?

How do you know there was nothing before the big bang? How do we know the universe didn't always exist?

The "how can something come from nothing?" is a strawman argument that creationists always like to use (ironically, as I've noted before, to argue that their god made the universe from nothing). I'm not saying that you're a secret creationist trolling the forum, but don't be surprised if others get this idea from this statement.