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The only rational problem with Atheism
#31
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
(July 13, 2011 at 5:35 pm)xonage Wrote: What we dont know is what is important. How can something come from nothing?


Again, you introduce creationist clap trap into your argument

http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm

Quote:About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What exisisted prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation.


That's not NOTHING. As a matter of fact, it is everything.
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#32
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
I am more and more convinced that the "x" in his moniker is not so sly.
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#33
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
The big bang wasn't even an "explosion". It was a rapid expansion.
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#34
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
Levitate

An expansion of consciousness, hmmm, hmmm?

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RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
(July 14, 2011 at 5:31 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Levitate

An expansion of consciousness, hmmm, hmmm?

Ummm, no.
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#36
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
LOL. Good answer.
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#37
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
Thanks. I didn't see the need to expand on such a rebuttal.
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#38
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
Touche, mon ami.
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#39
RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
(July 13, 2011 at 3:41 pm)xonage Wrote: As an Atheist, there is one issue for me that is a problem. Although evolution is easily provable and is clearly a reality, it does not answer the question of "how this all began in the first place." Science itself acknowledges cause and effect. Something in motion has to be set into motion. A car doesn't accelerate without you pushing the gas pedal. So what is pushing the gas pedal of life. I have heard the best argument for god as "the first cause" and everything we see now is the result of that initial action.

Is there any examples or pattern in life where something has come into existence from nothing. Then again this would raise a further question, "do we have the ability to see what caused this something to apparently come out of nothing. Any thoughts.

Why cant the universe or multiverse (if M-Theory is right) be eternal, that would in my opinion be consistent with the second law of thermodynamics. Although we humans because of the way our brains are wired, find this concept of something (oddly enough deities are an curious exception) having always existed quite hard to comprehend.
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RE: The only rational problem with Atheism
(July 14, 2011 at 1:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(July 13, 2011 at 5:35 pm)xonage Wrote: What we dont know is what is important. How can something come from nothing?


Again, you introduce creationist clap trap into your argument

http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm

Quote:About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What exisisted prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation.


That's not NOTHING. As a matter of fact, it is everything.

You are missing the point. I dont consider the big bang the beginning. There have probably been an infinite number of contractions and expansions, as that is the pattern everywhere. I am talking about what set this whole thing into motion in the very beginning, if there ever was one.

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