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RE: A question about original sin.
August 19, 2011 at 11:04 pm
(August 19, 2011 at 10:44 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: (August 18, 2011 at 10:59 pm)C Rod Wrote: (August 18, 2011 at 10:49 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: C Rod reminds of a woman who gets beaten by her husband, and when the cops show up, says she deserved it. Im not saying i deserve it or even want it but i feel it plays a role in justice.
Here C Rod, god's punishment is being compared to an abusive husband which you then say you are not sure you deserve. Maybe it was inadvertent, but you are saying you are not sure god's punishment is just.
Inadvertent. I think my initial response was to the idea that i somehow want pain of any kind or think when it is given to me, without my care, that i deserve it, like the wife. All i can fare is that i do not want it because i, personally like to feel joyful, that does not at all stop it from ever happening.
But i said the nations disobeyed God which brought about there destruction. There disobedience brought about, what i believe to be, necessary change or action. This happened to be destruction and the loss of lives. I would like to know of any way to conform or act on a persons that would have an affect enough for change?
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 19, 2011 at 11:06 pm
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I'm still wondering which nations you're referring too. We have no evidence of any nation ever being destroyed by magic. Further, why is gods destruction so limited in range? We have evidence of long lasting pagan civilizations in just about every corner of the world. Did he decide to give them a pass? Why destruction for some and prosperity for others. It doesn't seem as if gods justice was applied very equally, if it was applied at all.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 19, 2011 at 11:23 pm
(August 19, 2011 at 10:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah that was a good response, of course, Rogers response led to a re-organization of the dilemna which was even more difficult to escape.
Is God's character the way it is because it is good or is God's character good simply because it is God's character?
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Don't worry about being considerate based on my position CRod. If you're holding onto something that you believe is a persuasive argument or piece of evidence, take it to the evidence thread. It's not like the state of the cosmos gives a shit whether or not I'm offended.
Point of all of this, is that you're assuming A that god exists, and B that somehow he sets the moral order by which men can be judged, even unto death. I'm only pointing out to you that these are your assumptions, but not based in anything even closely resembling fact. When you say things like "those people got what they deserved" it just comes off as cruel and pointless.
Why did they deserve it, who did they go against?
I got to eat and think, will get back to you.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 20, 2011 at 12:01 am
There is no evidence for god, divine inspiration or destruction, or anything magical. There is only evidence of man's desire for such things and his insistence upon making his desires trouble those unencumbered by such silliness.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 20, 2011 at 2:39 am
(August 19, 2011 at 11:04 pm)C Rod Wrote: Inadvertent. I think my initial response was to the idea that i somehow want pain of any kind or think when it is given to me, without my care, that i deserve it, like the wife. All i can fare is that i do not want it because i, personally like to feel joyful, that does not at all stop it from ever happening.
But i said the nations disobeyed God which brought about there destruction. There disobedience brought about, what i believe to be, necessary change or action. This happened to be destruction and the loss of lives. I would like to know of any way to conform or act on a persons that would have an affect enough for change?
Okay, your stance is a little clearer now. I have one question though. Seeing how god is omnipotent, why would it ever be necessary for him to take a life?
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 20, 2011 at 6:41 am
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm
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(August 20, 2011 at 6:41 am)Rhythm Wrote:
Blasphemy...lol.
And God just did anything he wanted and there was no context. Amen
(August 20, 2011 at 2:39 am)FaithNoMore Wrote: Okay, your stance is a little clearer now. I have one question though. Seeing how god is omnipotent, why would it ever be necessary for him to take a life?
"I would like to know of any way to conform or act on a persons that would have an affect enough for change?" I think that question is relative. If we are to value experience and understanding , and not just be given limitless amounts of knowledge than how is dramatic change or influence to come.
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 21, 2011 at 6:25 pm
God doesn't require context. Or does he?
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 21, 2011 at 6:28 pm
(August 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm)C Rod Wrote: "I would like to know of any way to conform or act on a persons that would have an affect enough for change?" I think that question is relative. If we are to value experience and understanding , and not just be given limitless amounts of knowledge than how is dramatic change or influence to come.
Sorry, I don't follow what you're trying to say...
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RE: A question about original sin.
August 21, 2011 at 6:33 pm
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(August 19, 2011 at 11:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm still wondering which nations you're referring too. We have no evidence of any nation ever being destroyed by magic. Further, why is gods destruction so limited in range? We have evidence of long lasting pagan civilizations in just about every corner of the world. Did he decide to give them a pass? Why destruction for some and prosperity for others. It doesn't seem as if gods justice was applied very equally, if it was applied at all.
It was Ezekiel 23. The nations were destroyed because they turned away from God(means they worshiped other gods and sacrificed there sons to said gods).
Basically all the nations are the same, be it they do this or do that, they are sinning against God. He probably did apply justice to every nation but i think if they wrote of every action it would be to long.
(August 21, 2011 at 6:25 pm)Rhythm Wrote: God doesn't require context. Or does he?
Is the context for your benefit or his?
(August 21, 2011 at 6:28 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: (August 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm)C Rod Wrote: "I would like to know of any way to conform or act on a persons that would have an affect enough for change?" I think that question is relative. If we are to value experience and understanding , and not just be given limitless amounts of knowledge than how is dramatic change or influence to come.
Sorry, I don't follow what you're trying to say...
I really cant put the question any clearer, if possible could you answer how you would deal with these humans knowing only there first offense? Knowing every single action they would make?
What would be justice against Hitler?
What would be justice of a criminal that you know would be a repeat offender?
Or a child who would always disobey?
Or a serial killer?
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