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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 22, 2011 at 8:23 am
(July 22, 2011 at 8:11 am)Ziggystardust Wrote: If religion and superstition were replaced with a rational scientific mindset. Humanity would make so much progress so quickly with huge improvements to so many areas. For example; eight out of the 10 nations with the highest Human Development Index are extremely secular. While all of the bottom ten (which are African nations) are extremely religious.
Very much so. Sweden's non-religious population stands at around 85% and growing. Sweden happens to be among the most advanced and peaceful nations in the world. Low crimes rates, 200 years of peace, one of the very best for when it comes to education.
I'd wager that secular countries tend to be far more advanced because of the mindset of it's people. More scientific and rational minds leads to great technology and knowledge. Religion, does the opposite.
The more religious nations tend to be the complete opposite to being peaceful or advanced or educated.
Secularism has delivered far better results than any religion....by far! 
I'd like to move to Sweden at some point.
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 22, 2011 at 8:43 am
I think it would be an immensely difficult thing to do, requiring massive amounts of education. We would still tell our children "just-so" stories of course. I'm wondering what makes people think that we aren't already getting rid of religion? There were/are many more religions beyond the big 3, they're all dead or very near death, why assume the ones we have will remain in perpetuum?
The issue is getting people to understand what awes them. Giving them a fuller knowledge of the things that scream god to them. I hope that a better understanding of the world around them would lead to a fuller sense of wonder, but I suppose some people do indeed like magic, genies, etc. Even those people still go to work though don't they. They don't sit around casting spells for their salaries.
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 22, 2011 at 9:17 am
(July 22, 2011 at 8:23 am)Ace Otana Wrote: I actually plan to move to Sweden at some point.
Really? I recommend Scania in that case, nicer people than in the north of Sweden and just gorgeous wievs 
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 22, 2011 at 10:39 am
(July 22, 2011 at 2:38 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 2:35 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Goldman Sachs, Lehman
All Jews.
Well... all Ashkenazi who donned the mantle of Judaism, yes!
But ethnically, genetically, not Jews!
That's as far as I'll go.
Interesting post, care to elaborate?
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 22, 2011 at 12:51 pm
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(July 22, 2011 at 8:08 am)CharlieMilles Wrote: Suggesting that Sweden is doing pretty well with religion on the decline.
Without hard figures to back that up that is indeed suggestive. And nothing else.
(July 22, 2011 at 8:11 am)Ziggystardust Wrote: If religion and superstition were replaced with a rational scientific mindset. Humanity would make so much progress so quickly with huge improvements to so many areas. For example; eight out of the 10 nations with the highest Human Development Index are extremely secular. While all of the bottom ten (which are African nations) are extremely religious. Well, if "religious = dumb", what does that make the US...? 
(July 22, 2011 at 10:39 am)Rhythm Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 2:38 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 2:35 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Goldman Sachs, Lehman
All Jews.
Well... all Ashkenazi who donned the mantle of Judaism, yes!
But ethnically, genetically, not Jews!
That's as far as I'll go.
Interesting post, care to elaborate?
It's simple: blaming "the Jews" for something is not fair to ethnic Jews when the perpetrators are fake Jews (= non-ethnic; without genetic connections). The Ashkenazi Jews purport to be Jewish but genetic research has not been able to establish a connection with the Jews of Palestine, 2.000 years ago. And, trust me, they've looked hard! The Ashkenazi Jews comprise about 80%, the great majority, of those who profess to be Jewish.
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 22, 2011 at 3:43 pm
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(July 22, 2011 at 8:08 am)CharlieMilles Wrote: Suggesting that Sweden is doing pretty well with religion on the decline. Yet, how is that achieved?
'Anti-Semitism on the rise in Sweden' - February 9, 2009
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 23, 2011 at 7:21 am
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(July 22, 2011 at 12:51 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Well, if "religious = dumb", what does that make the US...?
Well the USA is quite different to a lot of other western nations, nearly every other western nation has an extensive welfare system and universal health care. The USA does not have that, also compared to countries like the Scandinavian, Low Countries, Australia and New Zealand there is much more government corruption. Also not to mention much lower trust of the government in the USA compared to the nations I have mentioned. Perhaps it is not surprising people in the USA are more religious, since they feel religious organizations can be trusted more than the government.
As an Australian I find the kind of anti-government sentiment sometimes expressed by some Americans quite bewildering. Not even most people considered politically conservative here have an inherent mistrust of the government. Only really the tiny minority of Evangelical Christians in Australia, mistrust the government to the degree many Americans do.
Might I add the USA is the only country in the western world I would be considered politically a "flaming pinko".
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 23, 2011 at 7:24 am
(July 22, 2011 at 3:43 pm)Judas BentHer Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 8:08 am)CharlieMilles Wrote: Suggesting that Sweden is doing pretty well with religion on the decline. Yet, how is that achieved?
'Anti-Semitism on the rise in Sweden' - February 9, 2009
Sweden Deports *Christian Refugees Back to Terror in Iraq - January 19, 2011
Why Iraqi Christians Are Running Scared — in Sweden
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 23, 2011 at 7:41 am
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(July 22, 2011 at 8:08 am)CharlieMilles Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 7:04 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 5:01 am)CharlieMilles Wrote: How many Jim Jones has Sweden had in the last few decades?
Are you asking or suggesting? Suggesting that Sweden is doing pretty well with religion on the decline.
That depends on how you look at it. They had an Islamic terrorist bombing just last year. Islam is actually on the increase in nearly all European countries, including those in Scandanavia.
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RE: How realistic is it really?
July 23, 2011 at 7:45 am
(July 22, 2011 at 9:17 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (July 22, 2011 at 8:23 am)Ace Otana Wrote: I actually plan to move to Sweden at some point.
Really? I recommend Scania in that case, nicer people than in the north of Sweden and just gorgeous wievs
*Note to self: Check out Scania on googlemap*
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