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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Not at all surprising.
Military in the U.S. have known and exploited first person shooter games as recruiting tools for awhile now. At recruiting centers and in TV Ads.
First person shooter simulations are perfect to inspire the potential recruit. Hand eye coordination, tactical and advance strategies, all things employed in executing the game play so as to give the potential recruit an advantage as to what to expect in military training and conflict. While at the same time the first person shooter becomes accustomed to killing, because it's a game however, that repeated endeavor for kill and reward desensitizes the player to the blood and guts in the game which through the unconscious affords a disconnect that blurs the line between that and real life. As the unconscious doesn't discriminate between real life and game play. It simply records everything that occurs to the person and the somatic senses adjust according to the input.
As a consequence all of that affects players differently. As this Oslo suspect demonstrates. As do school shooters, who very often played first person shooter games long before they opened fire on classmates.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 1:24 pm
This is bullshit.
Computer games don't make people go crazy, craziness does. If a game like MW2 tipped you over the edge, you were going to go some time soon anyway. In fact, that guy is pretty stupid if he thinks MW2 is a simulation at all, MW2 is a game designed to make people buy it, which means it's easy. Whenever someone says "simulation" and they're not talking about ARMA II, they are wrong. And although I've never been a soldier, I doubt even that is anything like actually being in a fight.
Anyway I digress.. the point is, FPSes don't make you go crazy and kill people, just like watching porn doesn't make you have a 12 inch dick and playing VVVVVV doesn't turn you into a pixelated spaceship captain who can flip gravity.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 1:24 pm)edk141 Wrote: This is bullshit.
Computer games don't make people go crazy, craziness does. If a game like MW2 tipped you over the edge, you were going to go some time soon anyway. In fact, that guy is pretty stupid if he thinks MW2 is a simulation at all, MW2 is a game designed to make people buy it, which means it's easy.
I play black ops often. Love shooting bastards. Love seeing their limbs fly off and the way their heads fly back when you hit them. Or when you shoot them in the face or neck they react to it. Never though have I failed to identify what is fake, unreal from the real world. That madman must of had a very unstable mind to begin with. I don't think violent games cause violent intentions in the real world, I think that comes straight from the mind. Some people are born mentally unstable. I reckon this guy was just one of them. I think we could of detected signs of madness before he could get the chance to take lives. Have him in a straight jacket and in a padded room.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Yeah Ace. I hate it when games are portrayed in the media as though they encourage this. Only psycho's can't differentiate between games and the real world.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 2:19 pm
I love stylized animated violence like the kind that appears in video games, yet I abhor the real thing. Never once have I ever failed to distinguish the two. When the line begins to blur between reality and fantasy it is not the video game's fault, but the fault of the individual's psyche. People need to realize that sick bastards may like playing violent video games, but playing violent video games doesn't turn you into a sick bastard.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Wow, there's a case study for high tensity projection and defense mechanisms.
I didn't say video games made people go crazy. 
By Brendan Sinclair, GameSpotPosted Jul 26, 2006
Iowa State researchers find that a violent gaming session can reduce physiological response to footage of real-life violence in the short term.
Of course counter claim "studies" showed up after this. Not that video game manufacturers had a vested interest in securing those.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 2:34 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 2:31 pm)Judas BentHer Wrote: Wow, there's a case study for high tensity projection and defense mechanisms.
I didn't say video games made people go crazy.
Actually, I wasn't responding to anything you had said but merely venting about the fact that this will be used in the crusade against video games.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Have him in a straight jacket and in a padded room.
And waste the resource? Hah.
Encourage this in him. Set him loose in a country you intend to invade. Arm him.
Better use of resources. 
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm
If I were running a country I would make a rule along these lines:
If someone has been convicted of something and is as a result so hated that it would be unsafe (for him) to set him free on a busy street, set him free on a busy street.
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RE: Suspect behind Norwegian attacks claimed he used modern warfare 2 for training.
July 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm
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(July 25, 2011 at 1:56 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Yeah Ace. I hate it when games are portrayed in the media as though they encourage this. Only psycho's can't differentiate between games and the real world.
Like me?  The real world is a game. Doesn't mean I have to psychotically attack everything in sight (though that can be some lulz in a game like Prototype).
Don't mistake rage and bloodlust for psychosis... as one and the same they are not
(July 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm)edk141 Wrote: If I were running a country I would make a rule along these lines:
If someone has been convicted of something and is as a result so hated that it would be unsafe (for him) to set him free on a busy street, set him free on a busy street in another country.
Fixed that for you.
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