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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 8:56 pm
(March 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm)mo66 Wrote: How can the Jesus Christ of the Bible exist without God existing? think about what you're saying before you say it.
Now you're getting it.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 8:58 pm
This is arguing such a trivial thing.
For all we know, there is dumb people out there who don't believe in God but believe in Satan. Perhaps it's the most illogical belief. So who cares?
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm
(March 10, 2013 at 8:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (March 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm)mo66 Wrote: How can the Jesus Christ of the Bible exist without God existing? think about what you're saying before you say it.
Now you're getting it. Come again? I'm confused.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:04 pm
(March 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm)mo66 Wrote: (March 10, 2013 at 8:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Now you're getting it. Come again? I'm confused.
Obviously.
...okay, I'll give a real answer. What you just said is the point. The Jesus Christ of the bible can't exist without god existing. Neither can the Satan of the bible, unless your friend believes in some other Satan than the biblical one, in which case said being isn't really the same Satan.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:05 pm
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(March 10, 2013 at 8:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is arguing such a trivial thing.
For all we know, there is dumb people out there who don't believe in God but believe in Satan. Perhaps it's the most illogical belief. So who cares?
Yes, but then they would not be atheist. I'm pretty sure you guys do not understand what atheist means. I care because I see atheism being misrepresented by atheists and theists alike. The problem with this is that I am then perceived incorrectly based on assertions made by an ignorant few.
(March 10, 2013 at 8:17 pm)mo66 Wrote: Atheism=\=Satanism
Believing Satan exists=\= Satanism
That hardly matters. Your argument is still stupid.
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No, I don't and I agree. When I called you a cunt, I mean you are a cunt. It is not an argument; it is a statement of fact. My argument was elsewhere in this thread. You called me a vile human being simply for swearing and calling you out as a liar, so I hope you fall right off that pedestal of yours, fucktard.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:08 pm
I thought Atheism was the rejection of any and all Deities... Is Satan condsidered a deity?
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:09 pm
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(March 10, 2013 at 9:04 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (March 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm)mo66 Wrote: Come again? I'm confused.
Obviously.
...okay, I'll give a real answer. What you just said is the point. The Jesus Christ of the bible can't exist without god existing. Neither can the Satan of the bible, unless your friend believes in some other Satan than the biblical one, in which case said being isn't really the same Satan. The Jesus Christ of the Bible CAN and DID exist, irrelevant of whether or not you believe he is the son of God or a Prophet etc. Similarly, Muhammad DID exist, irrelevant if whether or not you hold the Qur'an to be true. Are you claiming that Jesus from Nazareth is not a historical character...?
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:10 pm
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(March 10, 2013 at 9:08 pm)TromboneAtheist Wrote: I thought Atheism was the rejection of any and all Deities... Is Satan condsidered a deity?
It is the product of a deity, though I might argue that it is a deity, given the worship of angels and their supernatural abilities. They are not creators, but lesser gods in a sense? Surely.
(March 10, 2013 at 9:09 pm)mo66 Wrote: The Jesus Christ of the Bible CAN and DID exist, irrelevant of whether or not you believe he is the son of God or a Prophet etc. Similarly, Muhammad DID exist, irrelevant if whether or not you hold the Qur'an to be true. Are you claiming that Jesus from Nazareth is not a historical character...?
Well, maybe he isn't, but the bulk of our resident historians and history buffs do make that claim and with damn good reason.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:11 pm
(March 10, 2013 at 9:09 pm)mo66 Wrote: The Jesus Christ of the Bible CAN and DID exist, irrelevant of whether or not you believe he is the son of God or a Prophet etc. Similarly, Muhammad DID exist, irrelevant if whether or not you hold the Qur'an to be true. Are you claiming that Jesus from Nazareth is not a historical character...?
Are you claiming that Satan is a historical character?
(I would like to note that when I said Jesus of the bible I meant miracles and all. The real Jesus is often referred to as the historical Jesus, as opposed to the biblical one.)
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
March 10, 2013 at 9:11 pm
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(March 10, 2013 at 9:05 pm)Shell B Wrote: (March 10, 2013 at 8:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is arguing such a trivial thing.
For all we know, there is dumb people out there who don't believe in God but believe in Satan. Perhaps it's the most illogical belief. So who cares?
Yes, but then they would not be atheist. I'm pretty sure you guys do not understand what atheist means. I care because I see atheism being misrepresented by atheists and theists alike. The problem with this is that I am then perceived incorrectly based on assertions made by an ignorant few.
(March 10, 2013 at 8:17 pm)mo66 Wrote: Atheism=\=Satanism
Believing Satan exists=\= Satanism
That hardly matters. Your argument is still stupid.
Quote:You need to grow up, this ain't the playground where name-calling counts as a valid argument.
No, I don't and I agree. When I called you a cunt, I mean you are a cunt. It is not an argument; it is a statement of fact. My argument was elsewhere in this thread. You called me a vile human being simply for swearing and calling you out as a liar, so I hope you fall right off that pedestal of yours, fucktard. So you quoted me, not to join the discussion like a civilized human being, but to name-call like a 5 year old girl? What a waste of time you are, get a life and grow up.
(March 10, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (March 10, 2013 at 9:09 pm)mo66 Wrote: The Jesus Christ of the Bible CAN and DID exist, irrelevant of whether or not you believe he is the son of God or a Prophet etc. Similarly, Muhammad DID exist, irrelevant if whether or not you hold the Qur'an to be true. Are you claiming that Jesus from Nazareth is not a historical character...?
Are you claiming that Satan is a historical character?
(I would like to note that when I said Jesus of the bible I meant miracles and all. The real Jesus is often referred to as the historical Jesus, as opposed to the biblical one.) Yes! You finally understood!
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