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What 'force' was this?
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RE: What 'force' was this?
(August 12, 2011 at 10:55 am)CoxRox Wrote: Oh, and I didn't have any 'tummy' problems that day. The sensation I had in my sides was weird really. I don't recall ever having had my sides 'relax' and 'contract' in that manner.

Do you remember if you were hyperventilating? That might explain it. Anyhow, it sounds odd, and since I'm a big fan of anatomy and physiology, I'm curious about what might have caused it.. ^^

When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#12
RE: What 'force' was this?
Pro-tip, avoid ingesting fecal material. This leads to odd contractions in the stomach, as well as incredible leaps of faith.
Here is a priests take on the issue, if that has more weight than our arguments. This guy believes in god, but isn't so credulous as to imagine that god likes to make people feint, or go weak in the joints. I'm sure he would have better things to do, personally.
http://blog.adw.org/2011/06/and-out-you-...in-church/
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What 'force' was this?
(August 12, 2011 at 11:08 am)Kayenneh Wrote:
(August 12, 2011 at 10:55 am)CoxRox Wrote: Oh, and I didn't have any 'tummy' problems that day. The sensation I had in my sides was weird really. I don't recall ever having had my sides 'relax' and 'contract' in that manner.

Do you remember if you were hyperventilating? That might explain it. Anyhow, it sounds odd, and since I'm a big fan of anatomy and physiology, I'm curious about what might have caused it.. ^^

No, I wasn't hyperventilating. I think it 'odd' too. Wink
(August 12, 2011 at 11:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: We have looked for this energy. There is a reason that they call it "spiritual energy". It doesn't exist (objectively speaking). The unreasonable thing that you have done is to assume god in the first place. It is entirely unremarkable that all manner of inexplicable things happen from that point forward. The religious traditions that you mentioned seem to agree because you wish for them too. In actuality they disagree so much that people felt the need to segregate themselves along these lines.
I think this thing you are trying to describe has a better known term than Kundalini, "Bullshit".

I believe the 'energy' to be physical. I 'felt' it (in the same way I can 'fee'l heat or cold) and it caused 'physical manifestations' in myself.

I didn't say that the religious traditions 'agree' with each other. I was taliking about one aspect of 'religious experience' that seems to be the same within differing faiths ie 'power experiences' that cause physical manifestations.
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"

Albert Einstein
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#14
RE: What 'force' was this?
Sounds like your "force" may have been a hallucination created by a very strong subconscious need for acceptance amongst your peers.

Hallucinations don't always have to be auditory / visual.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: What 'force' was this?
What do all of these experiences then have in common Cox? Are there religious goats? Religious crickets? No, it's our thing. Everyone who's ever had an experience like this is a human being. You are proposing an immense amount of hidden mechanisms to justify what to you seems like a very simple idea. It is not.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What 'force' was this?
(August 12, 2011 at 3:01 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: Sounds like your "force" may have been a hallucination created by a very strong subconscious need for acceptance amongst your peers.

Hallucinations don't always have to be auditory / visual.

I don't accept this as a feasable possibility at all. I felt very welcome and accepted within this small gathering of folk and I had no prior expectations of a 'power' showing up at a lowly prayer meeting.
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"

Albert Einstein
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#17
RE: What 'force' was this?
Had you felt this at the altar of Kali, would you be prostrate to the goddess right now? Not a question you have to answer, just one I'd like for you to consider.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What 'force' was this?
(August 12, 2011 at 3:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What do all of these experiences then have in common Cox? Are there religious goats? Religious crickets? No, it's our thing. Everyone who's ever had an experience like this is a human being. You are proposing an immense amount of hidden mechanisms to justify what to you seems like a very simple idea. It is not.

These experiences have the SAME physical manifestations. I' ve proposed no hidden mechanisms. I' ve explained a set of experiences that were very real to me, and on investigation have been very real to people of differing religious backgrounds. You seem to be more interested in pouring scorn on what I have to say than in coming up with helpful feedback. Your feedback up to now seems negative for negatives sake. That's how it seems to me.
(August 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Had you felt this at the altar of Kali, would you be prostrate to the goddess right now? Not a question you have to answer, just one I'd like for you to consider.

You obviously didn't read my prior posts.
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"

Albert Einstein
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#19
RE: What 'force' was this?
I'm sorry that I have no way of conveying the body of knowledge on a subject as well known and well studied as this in any light but a negative one. I gave you a link to a very dispassionate explanation of why an argument from experience is a weak argument.

It is a weak argument because of the subjectivity of each persons experience, the lack of ability to find such phenomenon when tested, the lack of a mechanism by which this force would enact change in the subject, and disagreement as to the ultimate source or nature of the same.

I believe that you experienced something. That's never been my criticism. I only suggest that such experiences are common and better attributed to human biology than "spiritual energy".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(August 12, 2011 at 4:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm sorry that I have no way of conveying the body of knowledge on a subject as well known and well studied as this in any light but a negative one. I gave you a link to a very dispassionate explanation of why an argument from experience is a weak argument.

It is a weak argument because of the subjectivity of each persons experience, the lack of ability to find such phenomenon when tested, the lack of a mechanism by which this force would enact change in the subject, and disagreement as to the ultimate source or nature of the same.

I believe that you experienced something. That's never been my criticism. I only suggest that such experiences are common and better attributed to human biology than "spiritual energy".

it's one thing to be 'negative' but another to be rude and accuse people of eating shit. Tongue

I'm not arguing anything. I shared an experience I had. I'm sure the experience is linked to human biology. I don't really know how you would define 'spiritual energy'. I felt a real energy that affected me biologically. That's the top and bottom of it really.
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"

Albert Einstein
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