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William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm
What do you guys think about him? I just read an article which said most atheists are afraid to debate him. When i told my friend i was reading a book by bart ehrman he should check out, he said "i know that guy! William lane craig debated him, kicked his ass, dont listen to him he has no idea what he is talking about." i couldnt say anything because i havent really watched craig debate. I plan to correct that now. Anyway anyone got links to some of his debates i should watch or any general thoughts on him and his arguments?
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:22 pm
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William Lane Craig is the gentleman that argued Kalam was a persuasive argument for the existence of god. He also argues for ID. Sadface. He's a snake oil salesman, nothing more to say.
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Maybe, im gonna watch some of his debates later and see what i think.
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:29 pm
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Can god be argued into existence? Can ID be argued into existence? No..lol. Believe he did share a panel with Christopher Hitchens, that's always a blast to watch. Christ, you got me brushing up on Mr. Craig again, this guy makes my skin crawl.
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Wow i just watched some of his stuff. Preacher in disguise
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:42 pm
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Disguise? LULZ. Look, if any christian anywhere had anything to add to the debate on god, they would have by now. It's been a couple hundred years. They should let it go. Accept whatever beauty or wisdom they find in scripture without demanding that it be true in any way. Animals don't have to speak for Aesops Fables to carry a message.
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Craig, like most of these assholes, spouts a lot of pious bullshit and declares himself a "winner."
His opponents are saddled with the task of dealing with reality while Craig sells only fantasy to gullible fools.
I'm sure we have a couple of buyers on this board.
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Sam Harris debated William Lane Craig at Notre Dame University on 7 April 2011 on the topic Does Good come from God?
Are the foundations for moral values natural or supernatural? - This was the way the debate was introduced by the moderator.
Introduction overview of the speakers (taken from the website):
Sam Harris, one of the "Four Horsemen of Atheism," a neuroscientist, philosopher, and bestselling author, will seek to show that the separation between scientific facts and human values is an illusion. Harris will prove that science, not religion, should provide the basis for morality.
William Lane Craig is an American Evangelical Christian apologist, theologian, and analytic philosopher known for his work in the philosophy of religion, historical Jesus studies, and the philosophy of time. One of the foremost apologists in the field, Craig has faced some of the best and has been known to hold nothing back in his sharpshooting style of debate.
I have not taken the time before this to make myself familiar with Harris' views about atheism. I've heard atheists share both positive and negative remarks concerning his take. However, I don't think WLC could ever call himself superior to atheists who would pose a counter point to his Theistic views.
I think Christopher Hitchens would make a snack of the man.
And sure enough...
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 12:53 pm
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You know what it is about Mr. Craig that gets under my skin? He's fairly well educated....he knows why his arguments for god are invalid, he knows why ID is bullshit.....and yet. 
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RE: William Lane Craig
August 14, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Selling salvation to the gullible is a lucrative business for con men.
All religions are based on the idea.
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