[quote='Minimalist' pid='171306' dateline='1314765761']
[quote]Comparing people to one of the most horrific, genocidal tyrannies ever to exist over a political difference is beyond pathetic[/quote]
Spare me your injured psyche, VOID.
[quote]Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.[/quote]
Not this bullshit again Min, this is fucking easily torn apart. Also, while I take issue with being called a fascist too, my point was about Nazis, but it's typical for you to sidetrack issues so guess who isn't surprised.
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Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.[/quote]
Name me a libertarian song, motto, slogan, symbol or other paraphernalia. Are libertarian flags seen everywhere? How about libertarian icons on clothing? Are there any libertarian "icons"? Hardly.
And "Nationalism", the love of state, is absolutely contrary to what the majority of libertarians espouse.
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Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.[/quote]
Libertarians are sticklers for rights, you'll never hear any politicians talking about people's right to their life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness more than libertarians.
It's more people of your persuasion who will forgo people's "rights" because of someone else's "needs", you'll readily reject the rights of people to their own property to suit your own values.
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Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.[/quote]
Huh, well fuck me, your whole "rebuplicolibertarianazi" bullshit fits this to a fucking tee!
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Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.[/quote]
Libertarian and non-interventionist are essentially synonyms - I don't know of a single libertarian who advocates extending military powers.
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Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.[/quote]
Libertarians are no more male disproportionate than any other political group, in fact one of the most influential libertarians is a woman, Ayn Rand, while I'm personally not a big fan of her a hell of a lot of libertarians are, can you say that about a woman being one of the pillars of progressivism or socialism? I'm not aware of any.
As for anti-gay or anti-abortion attitudes most libertarians will tell you it's none of their business - some of the more conservative/constitutionalist american ones try and slip it under their "states rights" banner but Imo it's hypocritical and not a feature of the Libertarian party:
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."
http://www.lp.org/platform
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Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.[/quote]
You mean the media who painstakingly ignore Ron Paul, finding any excuse under the sun not to give him, or Gary Johnston, any coverage that they don't absolutely have to? Not to mention that Libertarians are against controlling/owning the media in all shapes and forms...
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Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.[/quote]
Libertarians almost unanimously opposed the Iraq War, a war sold under the false pretence of WMDs.
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Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.[/quote]
Some of the "conservative libertarians" are a bit hypocritical about this, but libertarians in general (including the party) are pretty damn clear;
"We defend the rights of individuals to engage in (or abstain from) any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. In order to defend freedom, we advocate a strict separation of church and State"
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party Jul 2, 2000
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Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.[/quote]
And this is perhaps the single most stupid thing to associate with libertarians. How many libertarian politicians have these big corporates helped elect? Cutting corporate welfare, subsidies and limited liabilities are basically ESSENTIAL libertarian policies, Hell, more libertarians advocate the complete separation of money and politics than any other political ideology save communism. Mutually beneficial my ass!
The business 'aristocracy' want corporate handouts, limited liabilities, exclusive contracts, innovation bonuses, tax breaks, special trade arrangements and the like far MORE than they want free markets.
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Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .[/quote]
Which is in contrast to the idea of freedom of association.
"The right of workers to band together to improve their bargaining position relative to employers is a straightforward implication of freedom of association, and the sort of voluntary association that results is the beating heart of the classical liberal vision of civil society. I unreservedly endorse what I'll call the "unionism of free association".
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracy...ssociation
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Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.[/quote]
Most libertarians/classical liberals are and always have been intellectuals, the number of libertarians outside some academia is I suspect significantly less proportional to the general population.
Arts is another issue, art and culture should be entirely up to the individual to pursue - There is absolutely no good reason why government should fund arts, taking money from one person for the enjoyment and recreation of another or to substantiate a national culture is absolute bullshit imo. People can produce/enjoy whatever they like so long as nobody else is harmed, it's got nothing to do with government.
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Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.[/quote]
And libertairans advocate the most limited government with the least power of ANY political ideology save Anarchism... Again, this is entirely inapplicable.
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Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.[/quote]
Again, something libertarian philosophy is entirely against.
Even the progressive writers acknowledge it;
"Government intervention has created the corporate entity. This limited liability entity creates conditions where the employer has tremendous bargaining power against an individual laborer due to the employer's enormous concentration of wealth"
http://bigwhiteogre.blogspot.com/2011/08...laced.html
It's only their solution that varies, that being
more government controlled checks and ballances where as libertarians see less government propping up of private entities as the solution.
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Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. [/quote]
Got any evidence of libertarians rigging elections? I can find you ample evidence of statists and socialists rigging elections all over the world, many of them acting for what they believe is the "greater good".
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Want to review them one by one and see how far they vary from the republicolibertarianazi program? If you dislike being compared to them perhaps you had best find out what the fuck you are defending.
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I did, ONE BY ONE. How far do they vary? FUCKING MILES.
All it does is illustrate your pathetic straw man and false equivocation.