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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 1:58 am
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Nicholas5000, can you disprove the existence and intervention of a super-god being who, seeing the god and son of god is about to resurrect, used his super god powers to squelch the omnipotence and omniscience of god and his son, and caused his resurrection to stop and reversed in the middle, like an interrupted orgasm, and made god Jesus slink back into eternal death, nd cause the eternal god to be eternal no longer via the use of his super-god power that transcends mere omnipotence?
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 2:38 am
(September 1, 2011 at 12:19 am)Rhythm Wrote: That IS their introduction.
My name is xxxxx, and you atheists are all retarded.
Nailed it!
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 4:03 am
Quote:Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was not the son of God and died on the cross, or that he didn't exist
Oh for fuck sake! Here we go yet AGAIN:
Nope, I've never made such claims. I assert only that I don't believe in god(s) (or their offspring) due to lack of credible evidence"
I need prove nothing.That honour belongs 100% to those make the claims.It's called "the burden of proof" (look it up)
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 4:20 am
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(August 31, 2011 at 9:34 pm)nicholas5000 Wrote: Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was not the son of God and died on the cross, or that he didn't exist? There's a theory that was in the movie ''Zeitgeist'' where the filmmakers claim that Jesus was a myth and never existed. They also claimed that all religion came from ancient astrology and sun worship.
I have never watched Zeitgeist, however I have read works by critical biblical scholars such as Bart D Ehrman, John Domnic Crossan and Robert M Price among others.
The resurrection can be disproved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Because outside the New Testament we have no other evidence from contemporary historical records for the resurrection or anyother miracles Jesus preformed in the gospels. Christians need to realize that not all evidence is good evidence and the evidence that is presented in the New Testament is not particularly good evidence.
The existence of a guy named Jesus who was the basis of chracter of Jesus we find in the gospels cannot be either proven or disproved conclusively. There is evidence for the existence of such a character, however it disputed wheter or not it is good evidence. I believe in the former, however the Jesus of the Gospels has been very heavily mythologised.
(August 31, 2011 at 10:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was not the son of God and died on the cross, or that he didn't exist?
You are asserting that a dead jew on a stick came back to life. The only evidence you have for this is written in a poorly-written religious text which has been extensively edited through the centuries. This is insufficient to prove your case.
If you can come up with anything new, please do so. Be aware that we have already been through the Pliny, Suetonius, Tacitus, Josephus shit so don't even bother with those.
Meanwhile, no one needs to visit this site:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/country.html
more than you.
That is not a bad site, although needs to be somewhat critical when examining the stuff they argue. However it is still 1,000,000% better than any apologetics site.
However sections of it are great like this one comparing the evidence for Julius Caesar vs Jesus Christ. Great for counter-apologetics http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/exist.htm
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 4:31 am
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Quote:The resurrection can be disproved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Because outside the New Testament we have no other evidence from contemporary historical records for the resurrection or any other miracles Jesus preformed in the gospels
Not so,argument from ignorance. All we can say is there is no credible evidence for the existence of an historical or biblical Jesus.
Quote:A false dilemma may take the form:
If a proposition has not been disproven, then it cannot be considered false and must therefore be considered true.
If a proposition has not been proven, then it cannot be considered true and must therefore be considered false.
Such arguments attempt to exploit the facts that (a) true things can never be disproven and (b) false things can never be proven. In other words, appeals to ignorance claim that the converse of these facts are also true (therein lies the fallacy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 4:46 am
(August 31, 2011 at 9:34 pm)nicholas5000 Wrote: Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was not the son of God and died on the cross, or that he didn't exist?
Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was the son of God and died on the cross, or that he did exist?
Your claiming it buddy, you prove it.
I reckon this is another hit and run. Don't really see the point of it.
Now I'm not going to waste any more time on the internet, I'm off for a nice long healthy walk.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 8:01 am
Didn't Nickos777 do some shit like this??
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 8:06 am
(August 31, 2011 at 11:58 pm)ConformingDeath Wrote: Excuse my random question here but did you really made an account solely to throw up two arguments against most of the people on this site? Judging by the lack of introduction and no posts to anything else it's the conclusion my mind came to.
I expect he didn't get the reaction he was expecting. He got a firm rebuttal of his arguments rather than the dithering and empty responses that he was hoping for..
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 8:21 am
(August 31, 2011 at 9:34 pm)nicholas5000 Wrote: Can you give me your best evidence that Jesus was not the son of God and died on the cross, or that he didn't exist? There's a theory that was in the movie ''Zeitgeist'' where the filmmakers claim that Jesus was a myth and never existed. They also claimed that all religion came from ancient astrology and sun worship.
This again?
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 1, 2011 at 8:30 am
Yup....the stupidity of the masses is never ending
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