Are you an assertive atheist or a passive one?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I don't know what it is Padraic, but people have great difficulty with Q-Celtic and P-Celtic names. Spelling and pronunciation!

I don't,nor does anyone else here.OK,to be fair,some avoid any problems by calling me 'Pad', which is fine with me

'Patrick' is actually my real middle name. My family really is ethnically Irish.

[ElDinero]

Padric and Eldinero maybe upset with me...as they quoted me of saying: Lead with your heart and followed by your mind.
When I quoted: Lead with your heart and shortly followed with your mind.

I agree about atheist keeping Religion on their toes because Religion that rule, lag and lack in science, skepticism and intellect causing much suffering from not following shortly with their minds. On the other hand, imagination dose lead science, not the other way round.

And your imagination is based in the mind. You're possibly making the mistake of thinking that your heart does anything other than pump blood and oxygen around your body.

I notice you've ignored my rebuttal to your stupid point about atheists running the world. Hopefully that's because you've realised how nonsensical it was.

[Castle]

I find only 2% of people are bad to the bone, including Atheist.

So far, I have never actually met anyone I would describe as completely good or completely bad,although I've met a couple close to each.

Your right , 2% bad to bone is rash, more mildly about 2% are out to screw you.

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And your imagination is based in the mind. You're possibly making the mistake of thinking that your heart does anything other than pump blood and oxygen around your body.

I notice you've ignored my rebuttal to your stupid point about atheists running the world. Hopefully that's because you've realised how nonsensical it was.

Religion makes up 80% of the world's population you don't think that's not running the world. Can you imagine an Atheist American president in your lifetime?

You never heard about women thinking with their hearts and men thinking with their minds, if not how about

Imagination leading science
Or
Spirit leading ego
Or
Courage leading skepticism

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I don't know what it is Padraic, but people have great difficulty with Q-Celtic and P-Celtic names. Spelling and pronunciation!

I don't,nor does anyone else here.OK,to be fair,some avoid any problems by calling me 'Pad', which is fine with me

'Patrick' is actually my real middle name. My family really is ethnically Irish.

OK Pad,

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And your imagination is based in the mind. You're possibly making the mistake of thinking that your heart does anything other than pump blood and oxygen around your body.

I notice you've ignored my rebuttal to your stupid point about atheists running the world. Hopefully that's because you've realised how nonsensical it was.

Religion makes up 80% of the world's population you don't think that's not running the world. Can you imagine an Atheist American president in your lifetime?
You never heard about women thinking with their hearts and men thinking with their minds, if not how about
Imagination leading science
Or
Spirit leading ego
Or
Courage leading skepticism

[Faith No More]

I am a passive aggressive atheist. Most of the time I ignore people's beliefs, but every once in a while something bugs me that I will confront. I used to work with a guy who was a super fundie, and sometimes I felt I had to argue with him if he said something egregiously stupid.

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Atheist have a lame imagination due to their lack of spiritual interests, in which I define spiritual as the 99% unknown’s world and Universe. That is why they are not running the world and leading revolution other than in the sciences field.

A poor generalization at best. I am constantly coming up with stories in my head that hopefully will get written down.

[The Grand Nudger]

Wonder how people assign a percentage to what is unknown?

[ElDinero]

Castle dropped some tags but I found his reply to me:

Religion makes up 80% of the world's population you don't think that's not running the world. Can you imagine an Atheist American president in your lifetime?
You never heard about women thinking with their hearts and men thinking with their minds, if not how about
Imagination leading science
Or
Spirit leading ego
Or
Courage leading skepticism

Can you actually read? This is the point I made about atheists running the world, below:

And if you think atheists not running the world has the slightest thing to do with imagination or lack thereof, I suggest you re-open your history book and check again. Nothing to do with people who don't believe in God being persecuted and often executed for saying things deemed to be heretical, I suppose?

I am agreeing with you that atheists do not run the world (although many atheists are still in the closet, so there will be plenty in senior positions), my point was that it nothing to do with not having a good imagination. It has to do with the fact that for centuries, non-believers have been persecuted and discriminated against, which still happens today.

I remember one atheist did have a good stab at running the world once, Christians like to beat us over the head with him like he's a stick. His name was Stalin.

As for your other waffle about thinking with hearts, it's a meaningless phrase. All your thinking happens in the mind (relatively little in your case, from what I can determine). I haven't heard of any of the other phrases you listed, but even if they are true, so what? What are you trying to actually get at?

[Castle]

Lead with your heart, followed by your mind? Are you sure about that? No, engage brain first.

As for 'atheists lack imagination', you might want to let Pullman, Pratchett and McEwan in on the secret, they must have missed the memo. Oh and also, don't talk such utter shit.

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And if you think atheists not running the world has the slightest thing to do with imagination or lack thereof, I suggest you re-open your history book and check again. Nothing to do with people who don't believe in God being persecuted and often executed for saying things deemed to be heretical, I suppose?

Honestly, people can make threads telling us we're being too hard on people, but why should I have to wade through this sort of shit and not have a go? Link them to a website my balls, they can find it themselves if they want to appear less idiotic.

I have build a few natural history display in a few museum around the world and been to Russia to teach my art form.

'Holy Russia', with such a long history of Orthodox Christianity, was in a very short period of time turned by the Bolsheviks into 'the first atheist state in the world'? I often defend atheist when religion makes false claims that atheists have killed more people in human history, which is non sense because Religion has had 5000 years of killing worldwide and only 3% atheist lived today.

Imagination is the living agent of all human perception with both intent and effort. Your mind first produce a visual imagine, shortly afterward follows words . Imagination asks desired questions, it creates and grows with exercise. Few people have the imagination for reality and logic and reason can die off quickly. Your knowledge has limits but your imagination dose not. Reason respects differences, and imagination has a perceptible likeness of things. , Imagination is the eye of the soul and the voice of the daring. If there is anything Godlike about God it is that. When he dares to go beyond his wildest dreams, he can imagine everything.
I can prove most everything I know was once imagined, it’s created in beauty, justice, and happiness. It’s the main source of value in the new economy and the supreme master of art as of life.
When your will and the imagination are in conflict, it is the imagination that always wins.
Anyone is enough of an artist to draw from their imagination as for it’s the basic health of every man.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
The superior reasoning power...revealed in the
incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."
-Albert Einstein "

[ElDinero]

You are waffling, sir. I am not denying that the imagination is a powerful tool. I am asking why you attribute it to God, or why you call it God.

I also refute your claim that atheists lack imagination. And certainly, the idea that the reason atheists aren't running the world is related to imagination is just not true. Now I know you've got a hard-on over the concept of the imagination, but either start explaining why it's God, start explaining how we lack imagination or stop wasting my time.

[The Grand Nudger]

Incoherence and delusion as art. Classic.

[Castle]

I find only 2% of people are bad to the bone, including Atheist.

2% of 7 billion is what, 140 MILLION?

Is that another gut feeling,or do you have some evidence apart from personal observation?


My position:The terms 'good' and 'bad'are subjective and quite meaningless as specific descriptions in every day life. I think one could argue exception.EG I think Mao,Stalin, Pol Pot,Sadam Hussein,Idi Amin and some serial killers were pretty fucking evil

So far, I have never actually met anyone I would describe as completely good or completely bad,although I've met a couple close to each.

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Lead with your heart, followed by your mind?

Well yes if you're a teenage boy, (as our reactive little poster seems to be) except it's not your heart,but a bit further south.

You are correct Pad, bad to the bone is too unkind, change that to 2% will screw you