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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 4, 2011 at 11:49 pm
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(September 4, 2011 at 10:54 pm)Fred Wrote: And sometimes the show much go on anyway, even if the brain is mostly not there: http://bit.ly/dVIUn
I’d be interested in knowing more about the histological structure of Dr. Lorber’s student's brain and others that exhibit the same physical abnormalities yet retain normal functionality. Hydrocephalus affects the white matter of the brain a lot more than it does the gray matter. If the basic structure of the nerve cells that make up our neural net remain relatively intact despite what for all outward appearances to be a severe deformation it could explain the normal functionality.
http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~steh/PSB6087/b...essary.pdf
I’d also like to know a lot more detail about what Lorber considers normal functionality. The student’s ability to obtain a mathematics degree doesn’t really speak to other possible cognitive problems.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 4, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Well, my mind is certainly not something outside of my body. I don't get my feelings, thoughts and ideas from some out of body mind. Furthermore, my mind is certainly not located in any other part of my body, though some may argue sexual organs have a mind of their own. Therefore, mind is brain, brain is mind, unless a penis or clitoris is involved.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 4, 2011 at 11:59 pm
(September 4, 2011 at 11:49 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: (September 4, 2011 at 10:54 pm)Fred Wrote: And sometimes the show much go on anyway, even if the brain is mostly not there: http://bit.ly/dVIUn
http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~steh/PSB6087/b...essary.pdf
I’d also like to know a lot more detail about what Lorber considers normal functionality. The student’s ability to obtain a mathematics degree doesn’t really speak to other possible cognitive problems.
Ok that actually is interesting, doesn't change my view but it's worth a look at.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:07 am
(September 4, 2011 at 11:59 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: (September 4, 2011 at 11:49 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: (September 4, 2011 at 10:54 pm)Fred Wrote: And sometimes the show much go on anyway, even if the brain is mostly not there: http://bit.ly/dVIUn
http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~steh/PSB6087/b...essary.pdf
I’d also like to know a lot more detail about what Lorber considers normal functionality. The student’s ability to obtain a mathematics degree doesn’t really speak to other possible cognitive problems.
Ok that actually is interesting, doesn't change my view but it's worth a look at.
I'd be interested to know what would.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:11 am
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(September 5, 2011 at 12:07 am)Fred Wrote: I'd be interested to know what would.
Well let's see evidence is usually a good start, after they run a gauntlet of lab hamster like tests on these guy's we'll get some scientific answers.
From that I will form my opinion.
Failing this I will revert to the Goddidit default position (not).
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:16 am
(September 4, 2011 at 2:22 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: As a former nurse student, who has had vocational training on a neurosurgical ward, I can safely say that yes, the mind is in fact the brain. People with e.g. hydrocephalus had almost always a change in mental activity as soon as they got the shunt they needed. People with head trauma were not the same when they left our ward after a week of care. Thus, when the brain matter is under stress, the psyche changes. It's as simple as that.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:20 am
I think of the mind as the process of integration of the brain as a whole to the stimuli it receives from the body as well as its reaction to such stimuli. It is very much a chemical/electric process. It includes conscious, subconscious as well as unconscious thought in addition to lower autonomic processes. It is the integration of these processes that constitute the human mind, IMHO. Yeah, I know. That's a bit of a redundant statement.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:24 am
(September 5, 2011 at 12:16 am)Fred Wrote: When a part in your tv breaks, does the show you were watching get canceled?
That just betrays your ignorance about the workings of the brain. Do you really assume that there's something that broadcasts ideas, reasoning and personality from an outside source..? Oh, wait I guess you do.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:26 am
(September 5, 2011 at 12:16 am)Fred Wrote: When a part in your tv breaks, does the show you were watching get canceled?
What exactly is a Pantheist I can't make fun of your religious views if I don't know what it is?
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:34 am
(September 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: This is a very close question to my Soul thread.
Mind is definitely brain to use your phrasing.
The mind is like a virtualized platform produced by your brain which channels the electrical signals your senses receive.
There is an obvious reason for this, it is an evolutionary trait built by the need an organism has to first collect data of what is going on around it and two to respond to such actions.
The mind was developed to make maximum use of this information so we can react as quickly as possible.
Hence forth mind is no more than a survival tool.
Merely this, simply that, no more than this, obviously that. Jeez, here we have the most bewildering display. The usual atheist retort to the idea that it takes the awe out of existence is that there's no way that's true and it's an insult to even suggest the notion.
Perhaps, but when the most mysterious, yet at the same time the most familiar entity going, consciousness, is relegated to the "well, duh" heap, never mind that the camp doing the relegating has not come a centimeter closer to explaining why it even exists in the first place, one does have to wonder.
Would it be a bad time to bring up that niggling little detail about materialism being an a priori conclusion and therefore on shaky ground as far as the scientific spirit is concerned? That this small sticking point hasn't even been addressed, let alone denied is telling. But maybe that is just me.
Is there anything that cannot be explained away with the evo psych mantra of "it conferred a survival advantage"?
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