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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:36 am
If anyone is interested, here's a panel discussion on the topic of mind and brain relationship.
"Modern brain research has given humankind a deeper understanding of how humans sense, think and feel. Yet, while the topic has enticed philosophers for centuries, the debate's still out as to whether modern science has gotten any farther in understanding the brain, mind and body connection. Today's expert panelists talk about the connection between the gray matter called a brain, the thoughts we think, the mind-body connection, and whether there's something more to the human mind than what resides in the brain. Joining host Robert Kuhn consciousness expert David Chalmers; philosopher of mind John Searle; anthropologist Marilyn Schlitz; theoretical physicist Fred Alan Wolf; and neuropsychologist Barry Beyerstein."
Do Brains Make Minds:
http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profi...Minds-/324
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 12:52 am
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(September 5, 2011 at 12:11 am)Diamond-Deist Wrote: (September 5, 2011 at 12:07 am)Fred Wrote: I'd be interested to know what would.
Well let's see evidence is usually a good start, after they run a gauntlet of lab hamster like tests on these guy's we'll get some scientific answers.
From that I will form my opinion.
Failing this I will revert to the Goddidit default position (not).
Heh. A guy with no brain and an IQ of 126? Nothing to it. It's merely . . . Get me some real evidence and then we can talk. Looks like your opinion is formed just fine. Calcified, seemingly.
(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (September 4, 2011 at 12:50 pm)Fred Wrote: Do you feel that mind is wholly reducible to brain?
Yes.
There is no evidence for anything other than the brain being the whole story.
How does group mind fit into this pov, say that exhibited by birds, insects, fish and all that?
While we're at it, how do you explain this?: http://bit.ly/11tetq
It's gonna be tough slapping the "it's merely" tag on that one. A slime mold with no brain exhibiting memory and anticipation? Nothing to it.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 3:01 am
(September 4, 2011 at 8:04 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Do you actually know the process of how we developed our unique sense of thought which separates us from other animals? If you did you would realise it's just another process of our evolution not anything supernatural as in the soul.
I don't know the process, but I doubt very much that I would be opposed to the theory, and it would be nothing to do with what we're discussing here. No one is suggesting that the brains functions are supernatural.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 5:30 am
(September 5, 2011 at 12:52 am)Fred Wrote: Heh. A guy with no brain and an IQ of 126? Nothing to it. It's merely . . . Get me some real evidence and then we can talk. Looks like your opinion is
That's the slogan of the article, is it being sensationalist or did the guy literally have nothing at the end of his spinal cord?
If he had nothing that would be something to investigate, but I'm sure it mentioned he had something just minuet?
Look if you want to prove your conviction we can get you to a lab, remove your brain and you can prove your theory by proceeding to play me in a game of chess ..... I however feel it will be a one sided game if it starts at all?
..... anyway you didn't answer the Pantheist question, who are you?
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 8:16 am
Group mind? Like Hive Mind? Its a Heuristic expression that can be observed from the outside as acting in the best interests of the colony as a whole. It is however, completely dependent upon each individual and a limited number of communicable ideas (especially in ants) We'd be in serious trouble if their minds were actually linked because by sheer force of numbers they would have much more computing power than a human being. Which they do not, thankfully.
Fred, have you ever considered that I do find awe in this stuff? Things don't have to be magical, or spiritual, or "otherworldly" for me to experience awe.
Consciousness wasn't always something we had any answer for at all. That the brain is required for the mind to exist is at this point beyond a doubt. There is an explanation as to "why" it exists. Interaction of chemicals and nerves. "How" is a better question (and the one that we filthy materialists are pursuing).
You just keep making statements about materialism without providing any substance for your argument. It's frustrating.
Plenty can be explained without a survival advantage. Many things exist in ourselves that (as far as we know) do not confer a survival advantage. Who the hell have you been getting your info from?
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 9:43 am
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(September 4, 2011 at 12:50 pm)Fred Wrote: Do you feel that mind is wholly reducible to brain?
YES.
Not interested 'what if' only in 'what is'. True believers are seldom persuaded by reason or evidence.Solid empirical evidence would have no impact on the loons who believe the world is 6000 years old,regardless of over a century of increasing evidence to the contrary.
I don't claim to know.
I have observed that if the brain is physically injured,so too is the mind. That can be demonstrated using scientific method.eg the notorious example of the lobotomy.
I have become pretty much convinced that the mind is not a thing but a process, the dynamic of the living brain, with no objective existence.
In "The Book On The Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are", Alan Watts states;"There IS no ego". I suspect he may be right.
Unfortunately, I'm not overly confident that anyone here will come up with a solution to the controversy which is the mind/body dichotomy.
(September 5, 2011 at 12:52 am)Fred Wrote: (September 5, 2011 at 12:11 am)Diamond-Deist Wrote: (September 5, 2011 at 12:07 am)Fred Wrote: I'd be interested to know what would.
Well let's see evidence is usually a good start, after they run a gauntlet of lab hamster like tests on these guy's we'll get some scientific answers.
From that I will form my opinion.
Failing this I will revert to the Goddidit default position (not).
Heh. A guy with no brain and an IQ of 126? Nothing to it. It's merely . . . Get me some real evidence and then we can talk. Looks like your opinion is formed just fine. Calcified, seemingly.
(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (September 4, 2011 at 12:50 pm)Fred Wrote: Do you feel that mind is wholly reducible to brain?
Yes.
There is no evidence for anything other than the brain being the whole story.
How does group mind fit into this pov, say that exhibited by birds, insects, fish and all that?
While we're at it, how do you explain this?: http://bit.ly/11tetq
It's gonna be tough slapping the "it's merely" tag on that one. A slime mold with no brain exhibiting memory and anticipation? Nothing to it.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 9:46 am
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It's a manufactured controversy. All evidence points to only one thing. If we didn't have propaganda screeds floating around there would be no reason to postulate something greater than the interactions and protocols which we can observe.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 10:23 am
...... okay I want answers, did this guy have a brain at all or not and what the hell is a Pantheist?? sounds like someone who has unholy fantasy's about panthers?
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm
(September 5, 2011 at 12:26 am)Diamond-Deist Wrote: What exactly is a Pantheist
Ah, sorry. http://tinyurl.com/3h4fkss
Quote:I can't make fun of your religious views if I don't know what it is?
Oh, please. Like that's ever been an enforced rule.
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RE: The primary question of our time: Is Mind Brain?
September 5, 2011 at 2:27 pm
(September 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm)Fred Wrote: (September 5, 2011 at 12:26 am)Diamond-Deist Wrote: What exactly is a Pantheist
Ah, sorry. http://tinyurl.com/3h4fkss
Quote:I can't make fun of your religious views if I don't know what it is?
Oh, please. Like that's ever been an enforced rule.
LOL if I don't understand what I'm laughing at it's a self fail in my book, this sentiment over some peoples heads whoooosh.
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