Ask the Christian

[lucent]

Not her life, her virginity. Why do you think it states after he fulfilled his vow "And she had never been intimate with a man". Maybe bec
ause it was verifying her lifelong chastity? And do you honestly think women were going to be celebrating an outlaw human sacrifice for 4 days every year? That would be an awesome party, don't you think? Do you think they celebrated with a BBQ? There is no way this would have been acceptable..the guy would have been thrown out of the community or killed himself. Give it a res

So you conveniently ignore the HE FULFILLED HIS VOW part, huh?

Listen, you can believe whatever the fuck you want but when the words on the page say one thing and you read it as another then you are simply being dense. Xtians frequently twist their balls in a knot in order to make excuses for your bible so you aren't doing anything different than most of them but I'm on to you, boy.

It's a load of shit.

Further researching this, based on a 12 century translation by hebrew scholars, judges 11:30-31 reads:

vowed a vow to God and he said, "If you will give the sons of Ammon into my hand, then it shall be that whatever will go forth from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammorites will be to God or I will bring it up as a burnt offering.

So the proposition is between human beings and animals..and since it was his daughter, he gave her over to lifelong service to the Lord, which again is why it says that after he fulfilled his vow "and she had never been intimate with a man."

And I'm not twisting anything. What's apparent is that you really want this text to be about a human sacrifice. The text clearly indicates to me that the sacrifice was that she was consigned to lifelong service and celebacy.

[Welsh cake]

I'll just repeat this post I made about this earlier..ie, they weren't children:

2 Kings 2:23-24 "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

Would a bunch of small children be allowed to roam around outisde the city by themselves without any supervision?

Now you're just being silly. Where were the children supposed to play? In the safety of Eden? Oops, that's strictly off-limits isn't it? >.>

Not only that but they were specifically mocking Elisha because he was a prophet..which shows they knew good from evil. The insult "go up, go up" is a mocking reference to his mentor Elijah, who was assumed into Heaven. So it was deliberate blasphemy against a prophet..that isn't going to come out of the mouth of babes.

What difference does it make if they were children or young adults? None, a life is still a life. Your bastard god should be able to appreciate mortality, human life, is infinitely more precious than any immortal life because its like the summer breeze, it needs to be cherished and loved while its there but it doesn't last forever.

And trying to justify a tyrant god's decision to kill children with fucking she bears of all things? When are you going to wise up and abandon the futile ambition of trying to defend this detestably abhorrent monster? Your religion has polluted your mind so much that you're unable to comprehend what is immoral about what you're saying.

No, the belief that all beliefs require sufficient evidence to be rational is irrational.

You don't even know what the word rational means lucent.

[lucent]

What difference does it make if they were children or young adults? None, a life is still a life. Your bastard god should be able to appreciate mortality, human life, is infinitely more precious than any immortal life because its like the summer breeze, it needs to be cherished and loved while its there but it doesn't last forever.

What is infinitely more precious is to know the living God and receive life, and to have it abundently.

And trying to justify a tyrant god's decision to kill children with fucking she bears of all things? When are you going to wise up and abandon the futile ambition of trying to defend this detestably abhorrent monster? Your religion has polluted your mind so much that you're unable to comprehend what is immoral about what you're saying.

I justify the sovereign action of a Holy God, whose judgement is just and righteous. I comprehend that one of the greater demonstrations of His beneficience is the patience He has with us;

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

God is patient with us, because He desires that none shall perish, but that all would come to repentance. He demonstrated that patience, and love, when He sent His Son here to Earth. Even though we were sinners and deserving of nothing more than death and hell, Christ died for us. That's not the act of a tyrant, that is the greatest act of love this world has ever seen.

You don't even know what the word rational means lucent.

If you'll just examine my latest post to I_Blaspheme, you'll see that I do. I'd be happy to discuss any sort of philosophical topic that you're interested in. We could start with the flaws of empiricism as a worldview.

[LastPoet]

Ah, philosophy, the last refuge!

[lucent]

Ah, philosophy, the last refuge!

But empiricism is the true way, right? What you have is a faith in an idea with no experimentation which can prove it is true. Even the experts can't say what is real..check out this thoughtful conversation:

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/ind...84699.html

[edk]

But empiricism is the true way, right? What you have is a faith in an idea with no experimentation which can prove it is true. Even the experts can't say what is real..check out this thoughtful conversation:

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/ind...84699.html

>What you have is a faith in an idea with no experimentation which can prove it is true
That sentence took a long time for me to understand. You could try writing in a more understandable way. Anyway, I worked out what you mean, but it's bullshit anyway because you haven't defined the words "true", "faith", "idea", and "experimentation". I will proceed to disassemble your argument once you have defined it clearly.

[Zen Badger]

Ah, philosophy, the last refuge!

But empiricism is the true way, right? What you have is a faith in an idea with no experimentation which can prove it is true. Even the experts can't say what is real..check out this thoughtful conversation:

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/ind...84699.html

Bwah hahaha, your "expert" is a student having a metapyhsical crisis.

Question, if the physical world is so tenous, how do you bring yourself to get out of bed in the morning?

[Welsh cake]

What is infinitely more precious is to know the living God and receive life, and to have it abundantly.

I disagree. I want nothing to do with a Mafia boss deity who thinks he can take away people's lives and not be held accountable or answerable for his actions. Are you seriously devoted to worshipping this "god" who has childish fits and impulsively kills 42 children in a brutally inhumanely and horrible fashion?

I justify the sovereign action of a Holy God,

No, you don't. No one can hope to justify the atrocities Yahweh has committed in the Biblical context.

*ignores the rest of your non-sequitur response*

[Cyberman]

What difference does it make if they were children or young adults? None, a life is still a life. Your bastard god should be able to appreciate mortality, human life, is infinitely more precious than any immortal life because its like the summer breeze, it needs to be cherished and loved while its there but it doesn't last forever.

What is infinitely more precious is to know the living God and receive life, and to have it abundently.

Preaching, in breach of General Forum Rule #4.

And trying to justify a tyrant god's decision to kill children with fucking she bears of all things? When are you going to wise up and abandon the futile ambition of trying to defend this detestably abhorrent monster? Your religion has polluted your mind so much that you're unable to comprehend what is immoral about what you're saying.

I justify the sovereign action of a Holy God, whose judgement is just and righteous.

Preaching, in breach of General Forum Rule #4.

I comprehend that one of the greater demonstrations of His beneficience is the patience He has with us;

[Scripture-spam snipped - Stimbo]

God is patient with us, because He desires that none shall perish, but that all would come to repentance. He demonstrated that patience, and love, when He sent His Son here to Earth. Even though we were sinners and deserving of nothing more than death and hell, Christ died for us. That's not the act of a tyrant, that is the greatest act of love this world has ever seen.

Preaching, in breach of General Forum Rule #4.

Why are you here, lucent, if your idea of rational debate and discourse rarely - if ever - rises above the level of the pulpit?

[The Grand Nudger]

What refuge? There is nothing. No argument, no evidence, no nothing.