Ask the Christian

[KichigaiNeko]

*slaps Kitchie* (because she likes it! )

Throttles fr0d0 because he is xtian and is into S&M

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Hi Guys seems like you are suggesting there is no proof any where of Gods existance. i.e. God does nothing, so you should not believe in God seems to be the common thread. However I will bring up this site that I have mentioned else where it shows 100% verfiable cases of divine healing http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/divine_case_e.asp. I.e. Christians prayed and God answered, according to what is written in the bible this is possible today.

Wonderful site if you happen to speak Korean!!

Perhaps there was something ELSE you were meaning to post??

My speculation is that this god didn't DO anything. People DO god does NOT do...other than stimulate the need for the drug dopamine

[ElDinero]

That page doesn't work for me. Says the page no longer exists.

[BloodyHeretic]

Hi Guys seems like you are suggesting there is no proof any where of Gods existance. i.e. God does nothing, so you should not believe in God seems to be the common thread. However I will bring up this site that I have mentioned else where it shows 100% verfiable cases of divine healing http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/divine_case_e.asp. I.e. Christians prayed and God answered, according to what is written in the bible this is possible today.

No, I don't think so. You see, there are no 100% verifiable claims, because god doesn't exist, or as frodo puts it, he's supernatural and can't by definition be empirically proven, so claims of supernatural healing cannot be verified whatever way you look at it.

Frodo, if you're going to insist that there is absolutely no need for any evidence of god, why do you come on here? On what grounds can you debate?

[Epimethean]

Imagination is the ultimate support for (flawed) debate: Faith is the weapon which needs no proof and which no amount of reason can uproot in those who cling to it.

[Welsh cake]

WC: The answer to all of the questions you pose to me: look in the mirror.

Right... so why does god love me? What about me is there to love when I don't want to be loved by said deity (assuming he is real)?

And please give a legitimate answer this time, not another "it is in his nature" response, because that alone doesn't tell me a thing about his character or personality.

You need to first demonstrate god is a sane loving being rather than some old imaginary guy with a obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (other illnesses your god concept has can be explored in another thread if you wish).

Second, you must show why he loves people, i.e. what he sees in people that he wants to cherish and adore. The answer cannot be because it's his nature or he created us, because then he's admiring his own accomplishments and power and that's a narcissistic personality disorder.

And thirdly you must go on to explain why this omni-benevolent god is not in my life, interacting with me and actually wanting to pursue a relationship with me. Does he love me enough to talk directly to me or not? You'd think a god that loved me -as much as you claim- would at least convey this in a dream or an email, or something dammit!

[fr0d0]

Hey WC. Nice to have you back.

1 & 2. Why does God love you.
According to you WC, you studied this yourself. Correct? And now you don't understand why you once believed it?
God loves you because of the potential he put in you to return that love... but mainly, because in returning that love you get to be the most complete you could possibly be. God's purpose for you is to be all that you could be.

You need to explain why I should enter into a discussion with you about the concept of a god who isn't the Christian God. Your interpretation of the Xtian God is way off kilter. The Abrahamic faiths which compiled the evidence conclude the opposite to what you do. That should tell you that you're misreading it.

3. He respects your choice, he has to having given you choice. He is there continually offerring to you. Are you open to his communication to you?

[thesummerqueen]

God's purpose for you is to be all that you could be.

Is God in the military?

[downbeatplumb]

Is God in the military?

Some of the mlitary I know think they ARE god.

[thesummerqueen]

I'm sorry to say as soon as I read that line in fr0d0's response, the Village People were dancing in my head singing "In the Navy"

[downbeatplumb]

Hi Guys seems like you are suggesting there is no proof any where of Gods existance. i.e. God does nothing, so you should not believe in God seems to be the common thread. However I will bring up this site that I have mentioned else where it shows 100% verfiable cases of divine healing http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/divine_case_e.asp. I.e. Christians prayed and God answered, according to what is written in the bible this is possible today.

A simple experiment

For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident.

Now create a prayer circle like the one created for Jeanna Giese. The job of this prayer circle is simple: pray to God to restore the amputated legs of this deserving person. I do not mean to pray for a team of renowned surgeons to somehow graft the legs of a cadaver onto the soldier, nor for a team of renowned scientists to craft mechanical legs for him. Pray that God spontaneously and miraculously restores the soldier's legs overnight, in the same way that God spontaneously and miraculously cured Jeanna Giese and Marilyn Hickey's mother.

If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch.

What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.

And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.

No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day.