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Christians, know your lineage
#21
RE: Christians, know your lineage
(October 1, 2011 at 8:13 pm)padraic Wrote:
Quote:These two were actually one church until the 11th century

Are you sure?

Isn't the Greek Orthodox Church part of/ an offshoot from the Byzantine church in Constantinople?

I was under the impression the schism goes back to the First Council Of Nicea, (325 ce)when the Canon was set and Rome (and the Pope of Rome) was declared the head of Christianity. The Christians of Constantinople did not (and do not) use exactly the same canon and did not (and do not) recognise the Pope as head of the Church. (??)

Or have I gone and gotten all confused again?
Tiger

Well, there really wasn't a Pope in the sense we think of it until around the time of Pope Gregory I (590 AD), even then the eastern part of the church was never big on the whole "pope" thing. Before that the pope was just the bishop of Rome.

There wasn't a schism at Nicea, although there were certainly disagreements. The eastern church actually agreed with the council, but trouble started brewing throughout later councils. There actually was a kind of schism between the eastern and western churches as early as the mid fifth century due to the fact that the two sides of the church were largely isolated from one another due to conflict in the Italian peninsula. This was more geographic than anything, and the church still considered itself one unit. The official split wasn't until the 11th century though, as noted.
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#22
RE: Christians, know your lineage
(October 1, 2011 at 11:04 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I will point out to Frodo, that Lucent did indeed write that it is his assertion that probably many Catholics are not saved .... but as I said I just didn't have the time to get into it.
And I agree with him. Many Catholics believe that you don't have to be. This I know.
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#23
RE: Christians, know your lineage
Yeah, "saved" is not a Catholic thing. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic elementary and high schools. I'd never heard of the concept of being "saved" until I got out of high school and started interacting with non-denominational Christians.
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#24
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That is because Catholicism is depressing. You can't go around with optimistic words like "saved".
Cunt
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#25
RE: Christians, know your lineage
(October 5, 2011 at 4:26 pm)frankiej Wrote: That is because Catholicism is depressing. You can't go around with optimistic words like "saved".

Depressing? That wasn't my experience, but maybe.
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