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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 5:59 pm
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(October 23, 2011 at 5:38 pm)IATIA Wrote: I think that we would be just as productive in 'peace time' as we would in war. The pressure that would be in a war scenario would be directed toward a military solution, but even in a peace time scenario there would be competitive war. As in Android competing with Apple, etc. If Apple were to become complacent, they would lose out to Android. (this is not to say that they might not lose anyway.) The fact remains though, that war is productive. The type of war will determine the products.
(October 23, 2011 at 3:52 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: (October 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm)IATIA Wrote: Let us say that the Middle East decides not to produce any more oil for export, what will happen then?
Honestly?
It will never happen.
That would be the same as saying: "Let us say that American politicians decide not to accept any more money from corporations, what will happen then?"
Oil is not a renewable resource. There will come a time that there will be extremely limited distribution. If this happens before radically different technologies are available, it would be possible to have a scenario of "We (non specific 'we') want oil and we will take it.".
Please try not to confuse "war" with "competition" on this thread.
The "war" you speak of between apple and Droid will not result in the loss of countless lives.
"war", as far as this thread goes, is armed conflict that results in the loss of lives, among other unsavory human endevors.
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 6:59 pm
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 7:45 pm
I don't even need anyone to compete against to 'invent' new costumes... I see no reason scientists would need competition to try new things. 
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm
(October 23, 2011 at 7:45 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: I don't even need anyone to compete against to 'invent' new costumes... I see no reason scientists would need competition to try new things.
Interesting how making costumes, however beautiful or ugly, is used in the same scope as scientific research, which usually involves pushing the bounds of knowledge...
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 8:14 pm
(October 23, 2011 at 7:45 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: I don't even need anyone to compete against to 'invent' new costumes... I see no reason scientists would need competition to try new things.
Nay... (LOL, I said "nay")... in fact competition cheapens such things. Teamwork in both of these trades will enrich human life and progress human understanding along with social cohesion. Competition between scientists, in my minds eye, will actually put a pause on progress. Why fight each other over social status, petty worthless nationalism and disgustingly disruptive profits when they could come together and share their knowledge with each other for the benefit of all?
What an egotistical monster we people have become through the utility of greed.
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Removing part of a toolkit, just because you feel it "lowers quality", does little good and quite a bit of harm, as there are many dependencies and side-effects that are not fully understood, even now.
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 8:22 pm
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Rev,. you are the one committing the biggest appeal to illogic here. You have stated that you think war is unnecessary, despite there being utterly compelling evidence to the contrary, and despite Switzerland being about the silliest example of a country that has prospered solely because it maintains a neutral stance. Your error? A fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. You have no problem glibly saying, when the question of the Middle East stopping export of oil, "yeah, that'll never happen," and yet your whole take on this thread has been that war, which has NEVER been absent from man's basic agenda, is unnecessary. Absurdism? OK, but I have to use your own line against you when it comes to war being unnecessary: That'll never happen. It is necessary, because it is us. Remove theft next, and then rape, and while you're at it, all addictions. Good luck with the silliness.
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RE: War
October 23, 2011 at 8:53 pm
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(October 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Rev,. you are the one committing the biggest appeal to illogic here. You have stated that you think war is unnecessary, despite there being utterly compelling evidence to the contrary, and despite Switzerland being about the silliest example of a country that has prospered solely because it maintains a neutral stance. Your error? A fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. You have no problem glibly saying, when the question of the Middle East stopping export of oil, "yeah, that'll never happen," and yet your whole take on this thread has been that war, which has NEVER been absent from man's basic agenda, is unnecessary. Absurdism? OK, but I have to use your own line against you when it comes to war being unnecessary: That'll never happen. It is necessary, because it is us. Remove theft next, and then rape, and while you're at it, all addictions. Good luck with the silliness.
Then SURELY you are willing to give yourself over to the war machine.. er... I mean "progress machine" in order to keep human progress and science moving forward. Surely, if you TRULY believe what you say, then you would have had a very active military career in which you will willingly go to war, and even support a draft to force people to go to war.
Surely you practice what you preach.
BTW, you did change your stance in just 2 pages from your view to mine, and I made that obviously clear...or was that just a mistake?
P.S. - do you even know what absurdism is?
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