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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 22, 2011 at 11:15 pm
WOW... There are just TOO MANY problems with using a barter system at the core of a modern global economy that I have no fucking clue where to being!
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 22, 2011 at 11:52 pm
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Void Wrote:WOW... There are just TOO MANY problems with using a barter system at the core of a modern global economy that I have no fucking clue where to being!
Yeah...well, one would include the EXCLUSION of world wide money exchangers
That would be problem number one
(note, the BIGGEST and RICHEST corporations and people avoid money exchangers and paper shufflers between each other)
The next problem would be LACK OF INTEREST (otherwise known as Usury)
(note, the BIGGEST and RICHEST corporations and people avoid chargers of usury and prefer to deal and barter directly with each other based on their acquired productions)
HMMM....
Gold closed today at $1,702.40 per troy ounce, and light crude oil closed at $98.01 per barrel.
Shut down the global reserve note (otherwise known as the American dollar) and what will happen?
Will they stop bartering?
Will trades in gold and crude oil suddenly stop once the monetary system is abolished? (along with all of its unnecessary paper and percentage pushers)
Will they be unable to decide the value of each, and agree upon an exchange?
Only Void can explain why
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 23, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Back in the day... Money used to = gold. You would bring gold to a bank and get a note, that was backed by gold in the banks reserves. Then someone had a brilliant idea called fractional reserve banking and that let us spend beyond the actual gold in reserves, and create debt and the current fucky situation.
So in essence, the barter system has been around much longer then this fiat currency bullshit, and well as we can all see, this system of paper money backed by nothing, won't last forever.
We were trading gold for dollar notes then that dollar for a round of cheese, but at the core, we traded gold for the round of cheese = barter.
I myself personally advocate a "credit" system based on an individuals production to society. Nowadays a banker who fucks the most people reaps the most credits, but the guys picking the food we ALL need to survive gets shafted.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 23, 2011 at 4:30 pm
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 23, 2011 at 6:51 pm
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Actually, what Lilly and paint trooper posted would also work in a syndicate society. Barter is merely ONE of the systems that can be used at the labor exchange. The biggest preference at a labor exchange is... you guessed it...the exchange of labor. Money might be accepted in this atmosphere as well, but is not REQUIRED...unlike the current American type suck ass capitalism which traps the majority of its citizens into using the ultimately worthless govt notes, with interest attached, and all the other paper pushers, credit scammers, etc attached as well.
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Quite a tour de force from Lily and I applaud what is expressed.
I am a Socialist chiefly because I deplore excesses....of extreme wealth at one pole and abject poverty at the other.
I am anti-capitalist because its nature ensures these excesses will persist.
We are lucky to be living in a world of plenty.
I hope, that one day, we will all, every one of us, everywhere, have an equal share in it.
 A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 4:50 pm
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Ahhh Woody Guthrie....what a man, what an inspiration!
And yet, I am given to believe his homeland would rather airbrush him out of history because of his Socialist ideas, which he so eloquently expressed in his music.
Love that song, especially the line about the no trespassing sign saying nothing on the other side, therefore that land " belongs to you and me "".
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm
(November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm)bozo Wrote: Quite a tour de force from Lily and I applaud what is expressed.
I am a Socialist chiefly because I deplore excesses....of extreme wealth at one pole and abject poverty at the other.
I am anti-capitalist because its nature ensures these excesses will persist.
We are lucky to be living in a world of plenty.
I hope, that one day, we will all, every one of us, everywhere, have an equal share in it. What kind of excess are you talking about?
IS life all about your basic needs?
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
November 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm
(November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm)bozo Wrote: Quite a tour de force from Lily and I applaud what is expressed.
I am a Socialist chiefly because I deplore excesses....of extreme wealth at one pole and abject poverty at the other.
I am anti-capitalist because its nature ensures these excesses will persist.
We are lucky to be living in a world of plenty.
I hope, that one day, we will all, every one of us, everywhere, have an equal share in it. What kind of excess are you talking about?
IS life all about your basic needs?
Are you struggling with the language or just dumb?
The obscenely wealthy at the top and the starving poor at the bottom.
Get it?
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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