Christian Looking For Debate

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Trying to explain evolution to people like this is like fitting wheels to a tomato. Time consuming and completely pointless!

They keep coming with this retarded misconceptions of evolution. Who's spreading stupidity? Christians websites, Perhaps? We should correct the websi--- Ugh, you're right about time consuming and completely pointless.

[Minimalist]

Who's spreading stupidity?

Jesus.

[DeistPaladin]

Who's spreading stupidity?

Jesus.

and Muhammad.

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Who's spreading stupidity?

Jesus.

and Muhammad.

Wonderful.

[Joe Bloe]

Evolution? Prove evolution happened. Science says that we evolved from apes and monkeys. We still have apes and monkeys in the world today. I guess some of them did not get the evolution memo. Besides they have never told us what those apes and monkeys evolved from. When you refuse to accept the truth for what ever reason you start making stuff up. Amazing how willing some people are to accept evolving from a dumb monkey as opposed to being Created by an Almighty God. Sorry no monkeys in my family. I guess the monkey people will respond with their usual fowl mouth responses. Come on missing links have at me.

Theists ask questions like this, not to learn about evolution, but to avoid the nuisance of proving that god exists.

Just for the sake of argument, I will agree with everything you have to say about evolution - so now we can go back to starting point and you can produce your evidence for god's existence.

[Minimalist]

so now we can go back to starting point and you can produce your evidence for god's existence.

Oh, no....they can't do that. They substitute faith for evidence.

[Mister Agenda]

Evolution? Prove evolution happened. Science says that we evolved from apes and monkeys.

No it doesn't. It says apes and monkeys have a common ancestor with us.

We still have apes and monkeys in the world today.

That's slightly observant of you.

I guess some of them did not get the evolution memo.

We all got it, even you.

Besides they have never told us what those apes and monkeys evolved from.

Yes they did: Euarchontoglires (synonymous with Supraprimates), a clade of mammals, the living members of which are rodents, lagomorphs, treeshrews, colugos and primates (including humans).

When you refuse to accept the truth for what ever reason you start making stuff up.

Amen, bro, but I don't hold it against you.

Amazing how willing some people are to accept evolving from a dumb monkey as opposed to being Created by an Almighty God.

Just humble, I reckon.

Sorry no monkeys in my family.

At least, not anymore, one trusts.

I guess the monkey people will respond with their usual fowl mouth responses. Come on missing links have at me.

Thank you for this gift. It is petty of me, I know, to delight in the misfortune of those I disagree with, but this one is such a classic piece of ignorance. I literally can't count how many times I've heard the 'why are there still monkeys' question that's supposed to be such a stumper. Although I do enjoy challenges, sometimes it's fun just to unravel an easy one. I know others beat me to it, but I just had to. It's got to be some sort of mental block, because I've never heard someone ask, 'if Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?', or 'if domestic cattle came from wild cattle, why are there still wild cattle?' Some sixth sense warns them that those are questions no adult that didn't suffer developmental problems should be stupid enough to ask, but if it's an 'evolution question', suddenly it makes sense to them.

I hope someone asks 'what good is half a wing?' soon.

[SeekerOfTruth]

Hey guys it's been a while. Iv'e been stressed with college work. Iv'e slipped on this forum every so often but haven't had time to type up a response until now.

Evolution? Prove evolution happened. Science says that we evolved from apes and monkeys. We still have apes and monkeys in the world today. I guess some of them did not get the evolution memo. Besides they have never told us what those apes and monkeys evolved from. When you refuse to accept the truth for what ever reason you start making stuff up. Amazing how willing some people are to accept evolving from a dumb monkey as opposed to being Created by an Almighty God. Sorry no monkeys in my family. I guess the monkey people will respond with their usual fowl mouth responses. Come on missing links have at me.

I want to tackle this first... Justthetruth please do every christian who actually uses their brains a favor and not post here again unless you have something intelligent to say... you're understanding of evolution is entirely flawed and thus you are unqualified to speak out against it. Evolution doesn't say we evolved from monkey rather a common ancestor. And Evolution is proven science there are two types micro evolution and macro evolution. Micro evolution is proven fact and deals with small changes within a species that don't make it an entirely new species such as adaptations and why different swallows from around the world have different features but they are still swallows. Macro evolution on the other hand deals with species changing and evolving so much that is becomes an entirely new species this one is not proven fact rather it is scientific theory supported by the fossil record, however there are many flaws with this theory. I believe that macro evolution did not occur rather each species was created then micro evolution took over from there. It's because of stupid and ignorant claims like this that much of the scientific community looks down on us. Rather than rejecting science why don't you actually use the brain God gave you and understand that no proven scientific finding has disproven the existence of God so there's no need to reject it.

(though I can't think why you'd want to affiliate yourself with Islam in any way). But you've already highlighted the problem yourself. There are literally thousands of religions in the world, from Hinduism to Jainism to Cargo Cults to Scientology to Greek mythology. The religions are in no way compatible with each other, so you cannot believe them all. This is where Pascal's Wager falls down. How are you going to solve this problem?

Finally, I was going to rattle off a list of things 'to lose' by being religious, but they all basically come under one banner to a large degree. Essentially, I believe when you follow a religion such as Christianity, you sacrifice your intellectual integrity and individuality. You aren't able to make up your own mind on issues of morality, because you are already instructed what to think.

I don't see whats wrong with being affiliated with Islam please clarify that. As far as the other religions are concerned: Islam, Christianity, and Judaism offer something completely different than every other religion out there, and that's a personal God who wants a personal relationship with his people. Surely if there really is a God who created everything then he would want to be involved with his creation as it grew. If a god is not personal and doesn't want a personal relationship with his creation then he's not god. I have an adopted sister and I gave her the opportunity to meet her physical parents and she told me "no, mom and dad are my parents not them. They abandoned me so there's no way I could call them my mom and dad." If you have a child but never communicate with it then you're not their "parents" the people who care for him are.

As far as your individuality and morals. I used to be an atheist and since becoming christian I've never lost my sense of individuality. In fact I would say becoming Christian gave me a bigger sense of individuality because I wasn't just another person in my school doing all the same stuff that everyone else does. I was different, I was my own person, I was an individual. I believe God created each of us uniquely and encourages us to focus more on being the individual he created us as then just following the crowd and what society does. And with morals, society does that anyway. Even if you were to reject everything you were told about morals and make your own moral code it would be shaped by something, the law, society, religion, etc.

[Minimalist]

Macro evolution on the other hand deals with species changing and evolving so much that is becomes an entirely new species this one is not proven fact rather it is scientific theory supported by the fossil record, however there are many flaws with this theory.

You were doing fairly well there until you slipped and your foot got accidentally stuck in your mouth.

Within the Modern Synthesis school of thought, macroevolution is thought of as the compounded effects of microevolution. Thus, the distinction between micro- and macroevolution is not a fundamental one – the only difference between them is of time and scale.

Courtesy of Wiki.

[SeekerOfTruth]

Macroevolutionary studies focus on change that occurs at or above the level of species, in contrast with microevolution, which refers to smaller evolutionary changes within a species or population.

This is also courtesy of wiki.

Indeed macro evolution is the same thing as micro, I didn't say otherwise I just failed to clarify that, but macro kicks in once the species is a new species. I however, do not believe macro evolution to be true the point of micro evolution and adaptation is for the survival of the species. So why would something evolve into something that its predecessor cant mate with?

Finally, If it is just gradual change over a long period of time like humans and apes coming from a common ancestor then why cant we mate with monkeys even though we came from the same source? This extends to all life if we all came from a common ancestor then shouldn't dogs be able to breed with pigs and people with dolphins? On the few cases that different species can breed they offspring is always sterile. And if its just that they eventually became so different that they can't breed then why did that happen?

These are legitimate questions that I've had.