This Makes Me Laugh

[athoughtfulman]

Today's Militant Atheist is no better than his foolish ancestors (whom, presumably, he believes to be monkeys). He speaks of Reason, but is really interested in arming himself, digging himself into our Christian soil, and awaiting the coming anti-Christian military purge that he so desperately desires. Today he writes books, tomorrow he will throw bombs. Today he abuses our courts to silence God, tomorrow he will put the Christian parent on trial for "child abuse". Today he mocks the Christian, tomorrow he will hunt the Christian down in the streets like a stray dog and euthanize him to stop the "disease" of Christianity.

Hahahahaha.

They're just ridiculous. And they expect us to take them seriously.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Yes things like this happen in America all the time.I have people at school that won't even talk to me because I am an atheist. That is the only reason they have for not talking to me.

Their loss; you're almost certainly better off not having any contact with such dropkicks. You might catch hateful ignorance and stupidity.

[fr0d0]

Today's Militant Atheist is no better than his foolish ancestors (whom, presumably, he believes to be monkeys). He speaks of Reason, but is really interested in arming himself, digging himself into our Christian soil, and awaiting the coming anti-Christian military purge that he so desperately desires. Today he writes books, tomorrow he will throw bombs. Today he abuses our courts to silence God, tomorrow he will put the Christian parent on trial for "child abuse". Today he mocks the Christian, tomorrow he will hunt the Christian down in the streets like a stray dog and euthanize him to stop the "disease" of Christianity.

Blimey. You atheists make Islamic fundamentalists look like choir boys!

[Overmars]

I think both should.

(be allowed).

I disagree, religion or lack of is a matter of personal choice, you can't "advertise" religion or atheism like some product that you are trying to sell. No Christian is going to change his/her's religious opinions if they see one of those Anti-Christian ads and the same is valid for an atheist who sees a Christian banner. Those banner's only reason is to piss off people and arouse controversy.

[fr0d0]

I think both should.

(be allowed).

I disagree, religion or lack of is a matter of personal choice, you can't "advertise" religion or atheism like some product that you are trying to sell. No Christian is going to change his/her's religious opinions if they see one of those Anti-Christian ads and the same is valid for an atheist who sees a Christian banner. Those banner's only reason is to piss off people and arouse controversy.

Good posters encourage ppl to think, which is a form of education, and therefore good. Like you posting on here, if it were blind statements that didn't challenge us then perhaps it'd be pointless reading.

"If god is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, knows what has passed and what is to come, like it states in the Bible, why do people pray and think it will make any difference?"

Because God knows the beginning and the end doesn't mean we have no choice. God knows your choice, but no one existing in linear time does. If you knew what your choice would be, you wouldn't have choice.

Loved you as a footballer BTW

[Edwardo Piet]

I think both should.

(be allowed).

I disagree, religion or lack of is a matter of personal choice, you can't "advertise" religion or atheism like some product that you are trying to sell. No Christian is going to change his/her's religious opinions if they see one of those Anti-Christian ads and the same is valid for an atheist who sees a Christian banner. Those banner's only reason is to piss off people and arouse controversy.

Hmm... but what about the people who will be pissed off if they don't have the freedom to post such ads? Who are told to shut up?

Freedom is important to me. Sure people can be offended - but have they really got any more rational reason to be offended by mere words of disagreement than the advertisers have got to be offended by not being allowed to express their own personal views?
Sometimes people have very bad reasons to be offended - religion often does. Blasphemy for example!

Not being able to express harmless personal views on life in regards to religion could be thought of as offensive! Why should the fact that expressing them offends people for their own personal reasons prevent you from expressing your own? (after all how come they're allowed to express theirs by saying that you shouldn't be allowed to express yours? And if they couldn't complain you wouldn't know and you'd just carry on (or you'd have to 'guess')) What should everyone just shut up and keep themselves to themselves? Like everyone has that personality and is comfortable with that? Pretend they don't care, not expressing?

Restrictions on language when it's only advertising personal views (and it's not even hateful like the ' there's probably no God' slogans) I see as OTT.

It's not like it's hate speech - can't people express their views?

And the thing is often a matter of principle, of freedom, I think. Also there are indeed a lot of very stubborn people around who never change their views despite the evidence - but it doesn't NEVER happen. It happens, for various reasons all depends - theists become atheists and vice versa, etc, etc for whatever reasons... - as I'm sure you are obviously well aware.

And furthermore I do not believe religion or lack of IS in fact; a personal choice. It's personal (although it's not always kept that way!) but I do not believe it is a "choice" because a belief, beliefs and a belief system are not a matter of policy.

Finally - I'd also say that.. - for instance, - I'd rather have controversy than everyone pretending to like each other and learning to 'fit in' etc and having hate build up over time and despise each other behind their backs...to whatever end.

If people don't agree I don't think they should just ignore each other completely or worse - pretend to like each other and really hate each other and perhaps end up being two-faced backstabbers or whatever for example - I mean if that's the alternative of people not being able to express their own views on religion (or a similar subject).. - Bunch of bitching basically - lot of people are like that already, I wouldn't want more people like that, although it's not up to me of course.

EvF

P.S: I think perhaps (and I'm thinking this bit on the spot though), ideally if people could understand the context and intention of language a lot more without all the upset misunderstandings going on - language itself shouldn't ever be illegal. It should be the hate and the prejudice of whichever form (racism, sexism, etc being obvious examples) - it would be nice if people could just talk about things and not be offended - but often it's hard to see the real intention and meaning so you have to be very literal.

E.G: Someone could say something completely non-racist and be a racist and someone could say something seemingly racist but in fact wasn't - and not be a racist. But with all the misunderstandings it's obviously better to generally go with the literal interpretations at least when in doubt.

[Overmars]

I think both should.

(be allowed).

I disagree, religion or lack of is a matter of personal choice, you can't "advertise" religion or atheism like some product that you are trying to sell. No Christian is going to change his/her's religious opinions if they see one of those Anti-Christian ads and the same is valid for an atheist who sees a Christian banner. Those banner's only reason is to piss off people and arouse controversy.

And the thing is often a matter of principle, of freedom, I think. Also there are indeed a lot of very stubborn people around who never change their views despite the evidence - but it doesn't NEVER happen. It happens, for various reasons all depends - theists become atheists and vice versa, etc, etc for whatever reasons... - as I'm sure you are obviously well aware.

do you know somebody who has become an atheist because he/she saw a anti-Christian banner?

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't know. It might do, I don't know if any of the atheists I now have - would seem very unlikely though...

Usually it's a process of reasoning not just one banner. But it's not impossible I was just saying "How do you know?" - people convert/deconvert for a number of reasons, I can't speak for everyone - nor can I at all entirely speak for ANYONE (but myself).

My opinion is that usually it seems to me to be a shift in viewing the world that develops through a change of reasoning. A shift of beliefs, whether gaining them or dropping them. Perhaps it could be thought of or similar to a paradigm shift?

Mainly I agree in the advertising of both sides because of free speech and also because the atheist banners promote atheism which I agree with... AND I also think opposing sides should have the right to promote their views too - otherwise it's not really fair is it!

EvF

[Tiberius]

do you know somebody who has become an atheist because he/she saw a anti-Christian banner?

I think the banners will not convert anyone from either extremes, but they will do one of two things:

- To the already converted, they will enforce a good view. I like seeing anti-Christian and atheist banners because they enforce to me the fact that I am not alone in these thoughts.
- To the "on the fence" type of people, they present a view that they may wish to research into.

Adverts exists to express opinions about something. There is no law saying that the content of the advert must be purchasable, and so I cannot see a way around them. I think presenting opinions is a good thing at the end of the day.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

this pic is retarded, isn't America supposed to be the bastion of democracy, of freedom of thought and religious tolerance?

Only to some Americans and not the rest of the world,and then only if you agree with them..