Hell - Where is the idea of justice?

[Godscreated]

Who are you to know that Hitler is not in heaven, GC? Who are you to deem someone to be not a true christian?

Child of God. That means I can know His ways, what He desires, who He is and ect. Scriptures say that we (christians) can know them by there (christians) actions.

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Anyone who would call Hitler a Christian has no knowledge of what christianity is all about.

"No True Christian"

Everybody take a drink.

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There is no dilemma on hell

People can not be saved by works, so faith is needed.
People saved by faith are saved by a just God.

God is just and that is why the unbeliever should fear.
God is just and we serve God and try to follow His will.

So Hitler is in Heaven, Gandhi is in Hell and this is your idea of justice.

*Facepalm*

On this you will have to talk to God, He is the judge.

[KichigaiNeko]

Oh dear :S GC you ARE getting rather precious

[Godscreated]

It really makes no difference what Hitler was. I don't care if he was a Hindu. Someone's religious claims are not necessarily indicative of what their morals are. There are both Atheists and Christians who we would view as being awful people.

However, Godschild I would be careful of saying that someone simply could not be a true Christian and do what Hitler did. It is not good works or being the "best" person that ultimately gets you to heaven. It is God's grace and faith in him is it not?

Now repentance may very well be required but it does not matter how evil someones actions were they still could seek forgiveness when knocking at deaths door. Do I think Hitler sought forgiveness? No, but the point everyone has been trying to make is that it is ---- >POSSIBLE <----

Not probable just possible.

I never said it was not possible, "because with God all things are possible." What I said was that someone like Hitler would not seek out Christ in His last moments, he took his own life, it takes more than a coward to seek Christ after what he did. Like you said Voltair they already knew the answer so why ask, it's not like this question has not come up more than a few times on this forum, all they want is to run down someone for their beliefs.

[KichigaiNeko]

See post above GC

[Godscreated]

A casual stroll through hell proves that faith is everything...GOD



If one took a stroll through hell, then one would not need faith ... MAN

Duh, I believe that's what I was indicating. The word proves should be the indicator.

OK! Show me.

If you do not change then you will see the proof sooner than you might want to, just sayin.

[Jackalope]

What I said was that someone like Hitler would not seek out Christ in His last moments, he took his own life, it takes more than a coward to seek Christ after what he did. Like you said Voltair they already knew the answer so why ask, it's not like this question has not come up more than a few times on this forum, all they want is to run down someone for their beliefs.

I can't speak for the person who originally asked the question. However, in all honesty, I would like to know what your answer is. Not because I want to run anyone down, but because I want to understand the rationale for whichever answer is given.

[Godscreated]

If the unbeliever fears then what is he fearing?

If he is fearing a just God then he is not an unbeliever.

The One who can separate the soul from the flesh.

[Cinjin]

If you do not change then you will see the proof sooner than you might want to, just sayin.

Your own people don't agree with you about your Hell.

Let me guess ... your response will be something similar to the "no true Scotsman" defense.

...what gets subtly taught [in the christian faith] is that Jesus rescues you from god ...

[Godscreated]

What I said was that someone like Hitler would not seek out Christ in His last moments, he took his own life, it takes more than a coward to seek Christ after what he did. Like you said Voltair they already knew the answer so why ask, it's not like this question has not come up more than a few times on this forum, all they want is to run down someone for their beliefs.

I can't speak for the person who originally asked the question. However, in all honesty, I would like to know what your answer is. Not because I want to run anyone down, but because I want to understand the rationale for whichever answer is given.

The answer can not be no, the reason is what I stated earlier, nothing is impossible with God. One reason being, God is just, He said that anyone that accepts his Son Jesus for who He truly is and has real repentance in their heart will be saved, if God would not accept this from anyone then He would not be a just God. Likewise if He gives salvation to anyone who does not accept His offer for salvation then He would not be a just God.I know I'm not the first to explain this so I really do not see why you would ask. With Hitler I can not see that he would make such a decision during his last minutes, seeing that he was trying to escape an earthly punishment by taking his own life. It does take a repentant heart to come to God for His salvation, not a cowardly heart. As I see it anyone who would use Hitler's atrocities as a joke or to poke fun needs a heart check. However God could have shown Hitler how wrong he was, and in his last minutes he could have accepted God's salvation, in my opinion God would be doing this to show that He is just, no matter the situation or person.

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If you do not change then you will see the proof sooner than you might want to, just sayin.

Your own people don't agree with you about your Hell.

Let me guess ... your response will be something similar to the "no true Scotsman" defense.

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...what gets subtly taught [in the christian faith] is that Jesus rescues you from god ...

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You are right many do not share my view of hell and I do not ask them to, there are those that do though. Time reveals all truth.

[ElDinero]

If you do not change then you will see the proof sooner than you might want to, just sayin.

Preaching. Unbelievable that we can send new guys with 25 posts into the gauntlet for preaching, and guys like this little cunt have hundreds of the things and still get to sit at the big boys table.