Time To Quit

[Epimethean]

I am sorry for your loss.... my condolences. But 68 is a good long life for one who lived through what she did. Her birth date was during the "Great Depression"?

Did you know that the medical General Practitioners would prescribe cigarettes as a treatment for stress?? I kid you not ...my own mother (who is now looking at her 75th birthday) went through a period where these "things" were of some assistance to her.

I only rage against the thoughtless, religious parroting of the media hype. Just as many "healthy non- smoking people" are jamming up the medical system as are smokers...what you have "bought into is the media hype" and are parroting such. Not much better than a religious nut job?

I agree the imbibing of any "smoke" is of little assistance to ones respiratory system but then I remember that the "smoking" of say Sage or Cloves was a treatment for asthma prior to the pharmaceutical companies isolating the active ingredients and finding other compounds to do the same job.

Suffice to say...Harm none and do as you will.

Kichi, the media hype as you put it is accurate. Yes, doctors used to smoke bedside as they recommended such idiotic therapies. They also used to bleed people for any ailment. My mother came out of that ignorant generation. She was ignorant, and, after a fashion, I do agree with Moros that it was she who killed herself-out of ignorance. We know better now. For me to sit back and say, "Ah, well, cigarettes. Fair enough. I don't care for them, but cool if you do" would fly in the face of the fact that I can trace the loss of my mother to them, that they smell like shit, make other people smell like shit, and compromise their health without improving the quality of their lives. If she had used the new e-cigs, would she still be around? I have no idea, and there I have to admit my own ignorance. But for me to say that smoking is anything but bad would go against deeply held biases which I am currently unwilling to cross.

[KichigaiNeko]

Fair enough ...but what makes you think 'weed' smells great and Drug induced psychosis is a wonderful thing?? Just as bad imho, are you saying it is ok for you to be ignorant but not your mother??

I am saying ...don't take the "moral high ground" on this issue. Many "smoke" because of a need...what that is they can not tell you ...can you tell me why you smoke that disgusting green stuff that stinks and causes me an asthmatic episode and depression??

[frankiej]

Fair enough ...but what makes you think 'weed' smells great

But, weed does smell great.

It smells like God's vagina.

[KichigaiNeko]

Fair enough ...but what makes you think 'weed' smells great

But, weed does smell great.

It smells like God's vagina.

meh for me it doesn't and that is part of the point frankiej. Do as you will and harm none other than yourself.

I lived next door to a pot smoker in an apartment block...I was so miserable and coughing 24/7 with asthma and the drugs that were "supposedly" to cure my problems. I was the "bad person" and the drug addicted next door were the good guys who just needed me to understand their problems. Fresh air was not available and if it I left the flat all I got was the fumes of a modern city, go out to the country and all I got was the pollution of pollens and grass seeds and dust and the mining detritus of a country community.

Suffice to say the delusion of the utopian 'Fresh Air' is an oxymoron it never existed and only a government agenda would perpetrate it onto an ill-informed public.

You want / need to smoke?? Great you are an adult and can make your own choices. You find smoking does not satisfy and wish to stop the practice?? Great! You are an adult and can make your own choices as to what you do with YOUR life.

[frankiej]

Ah, you see, I will always make sure that the people around me are ok with it... If someone isn't then I'll smoke elsewhere.

[KichigaiNeko]

Ah, you see, I will always make sure that the people around me are ok with it... If someone isn't then I'll smoke elsewhere.

What makes you think that I don't?? It is MY personal preference and I agree with you that I should not inflict it onto others ...by the same token why should others inflict their preferences onto me??

[frankiej]

I see what you mean. I do agree with you. Admittedly, when I'm in my own house and friends are round I don't ask them if they are cool with it... But, I don't smoke tobacco much anyway, and my friends quite like the smell of weed, even if they don't smoke it.

[Norfolk And Chance]

HOW? This worked for me; I decided I WANTED to be a nonsmoker

This.

You will never quit unless you really want to.

I had several aborted attempts. One time I decided to quit because it was costing too much money and I couldn't really afford luxuries because of smoking. So I decided to quit so I'd have more money. Stopped for a while, found it hard, started up again because I actually resented not being able to smoke because of a piffling thing like money. You'll always find the money to smoke even if you can't afford it.

There was a couple other times for different reasons that ended in failure , one of those times I'd quit for 3 months and went back on it.

Then a friend of a friend died from lung cancer aged only 42. Shortly after I decided not only that I wanted to quit on health grounds but just that I wanted to quit.

I wanted to.

So I did. Three years ago. Never really missed it either.

[mayor of simpleton]

I can only wish you all the best in your efforts to get this monkey off your back.

Nicotine is the most addictive substance know to mankind. Breaking the habit is more difficult that that of Cocaine or Herion. The health benefits associated with quiting are really worth the ordeal. If you mange to quit, then it can be said that you possess an iron will. This is indeed a great accomplishment.

More power to you and most of all RESPECT!!!!

Meow!

GREG

[Autumnlicious]

Kichi -- unfortunately for me, this thread has gone too far without me exhaustively sorting through your points and explaining why they're false.

I did not state "weed is better" in my original posting, nor the ones with Epi. Also, I was making it obvious to people that he was angry with cigarettes.

Why? The same issue I take up with all of my friends who BURN their material to get their fix, nicotine, marijuana, whatever. Incinerating the compounds pulls out the carcinogens, which are medically proven to cause cancer in a living human system over time.

Now, lucky for us, having even one cancerous cell isn't a problem. Our bodies are more than well equipped to abort the cell or attack and destroy it. This is where statistics factor in -- "how long and how fast can your body knock off the viable cancer cells, whereas how often does a carcinogen successfully convert (the failures just kill, inactivate or halt the cell) to a cancerous cell."

Anyone who incinerates something that contains carcinogens, they increase their risk.

Weed. Nicotine. All else.

If the act of burning it produces those (carcinogens), you're placing yourself at risk. Period.

For the record, I am a proud owner of a Magic Flight Launch Box, a battery powered vaporizer. I consume my weed via edible and vaporization, lowering my risk significantly than if I smoked it (I can't, because my lungs have collapsed THREE times in the past two years).

I personally dislike and desire cigarettes to go the way of the dinosaur -- extinct. I wish to all hells that every smoker on this planet could pick up a vaporizer and use THAT instead of exposing themselves to relatively HIGH risk.

But they don't.

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By the way, because severe smokers end up getting fast acting cancers on average, they cost the medical system comparitively little compared to long living healthy people, who require vastly expensive protocols and procedures to deal with hitherto unknown cancers, maladies and issues that come with aging.

The severe smokers, on the other hand, die younger. Thus costing the medical system less.

It's not smokers who are a burden, it's old people.