Turkey's role in middle eastern politics

[Faith No More]

He's the David Duke of Turkey.

[kılıç_mehmet]

You know what, I am tired of piecing this quote by quote. The bottom line is that you do not even have to be violent to commit genocide. Enacting a policy that you know is killing individuals of a certain race, religion or gender is genocide. You can hold their hands while you sing kumbaya and they starve to death -- still genocide. Look up the definition.

Okay, but we still didn't commit genocide.

Is kılıç_mehmet the closest we've ever had to a holocaust-denier on these forums? Either way he's a hopeless tool.

You speak without reading anything that I wrote down. I'm telling you that this is a political thing...And you still fucking maintain that it's true.
After we take back our EU member application, it'll go away. Because the EUfags know that we can't enter their union before fulfilling theire every desire, and one of them is this. That's why they're soo fond of it, and that's why Sarkozy called Armenia his little sister.
Well, screw them. Once we give up on such stupid aspirations, the EU will simply forget about the genocide thing like no such debate ever happened.

[5thHorseman]

Your country commited genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

[kılıç_mehmet]

If you say it like 40 times, it'll become true, you know that?

[5thHorseman]

If you look past your nose you'll see it was a genocide. But you wont, because your a nationalist and do not like criticism to your beliefs.

[kılıç_mehmet]

If you look past your nose you'll see it was a genocide. But you wont, because your a nationalist and do not like criticism to your beliefs.

And perhaps it's time for you to look past this liberal zeal of accepting things the way you want it to be.

[The Grand Nudger]

Honestly Mehmet, and this may surprise you.....I don't think anyone here gives a shit about Turkey. I think I can speak for just about everyone here when I say I have no desire or wish for genocide to have occurred. Trouble is, reality does't align itself with my wishes in this regard, or, obviously, your own. Did you know that the US paid a fair price to the native americans for their land, put the japanese into happy fun camps during WW2, and dropped a hugs and bubbles bomb on Hiroshima? True story, all the nasty shit you've heard was propaganda by "non-americans"......

[kılıç_mehmet]

Honestly Mehmet, and this may surprise you.....I don't think anyone here gives a shit about Turkey. I think I can speak for just about everyone here when I say I have no desire or wish for genocide to have occurred. Trouble is, reality does't align itself with my wishes in this regard, or, obviously, your own. Did you know that the US paid a fair price to the native americans for their land, put the japanese into happy fun camps during WW2, and dropped a hugs and bubbles bomb on Hiroshima? True story, all the nasty shit you've heard was propaganda by "non-americans"......

Oh, and why are you so fervently defending it even though you know that there is a view on the subject that defies the way you know it?
Besides, whatever happened in your own country, stays there. And frankly, I don't see anyone going around advocating the recognition of some japanese or native american genocide either. Because we all know what really constitutes a genocide.
And it's certain that neither what happened to the native americans over the course of many many years, or to the japanese through a war, where a phyyric victory might have been avoided by devastating the japanese by dropping an a-bomb on two of their cities(which should, according to how Shell B defines it, constitute a genocide).
But I'm also quite sure that you define one of more of these as "genocide", so either go and learn the meaning of genocide, or stop advocating things so blindly just because you feel a bit more humanistic and leftist when crushing the "genocide denying fascist".

[The Grand Nudger]

What A-Bomb are you talking about, and what do you mean what happened to the natives? Don't you realize that there is a point of view on the subject that defies the way you know it? LOL, leftist, you sound like a faux news talking head, you do realize that you don't have any idea what my political leanings are, and that "leftist" isn't actually an insult in the first place right?

Dropping the charade for a moment, we do recognize exactly what we did to the natives and knowledge of this is a required component of our public education system (unlike your own apparently, that conveniently forgets this sort of shit in favor of the myth of some great and benevolent turkish nation). I'll throw in a link for you about Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well(in case your education system ignores shit like that tool), pay attention to the bit where the ethical justification is not simply granted because we did it. You might also want to read up on Americas role in rebuilding and making amends to Japan for the 50 years or so following the incident. So, again, it's possible to have blood on your nations hands and not be a complete douche about it. As always, whatever is offered as an olive branch by the conquerors is insufficient from an ethical standpoint, but it's something isn't it. Surely something is a tad bit better than denial and continued reference to the sub-human or evil nature of one's conquered "enemies".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
(notice that this page actually links to ethnic cleansing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bomb...d_Nagasaki

[kılıç_mehmet]

What A-Bomb are you talking about, and what do you mean what happened to the natives? Don't you realize that there is a point of view on the subject that defies the way you know it? LOL, leftist, you should like a faux news talking head, you do realize that you don't have any idea what my political leanings are, and that "leftist" isn't actually an insult in the first place right?

Well, you simply ignore my point, and still go *your way*.
And well, you are a "liberal" are you not? You are the same abroad as you are here.
However, here, liberals have less strict(leftist-libertarian) views on economy than you, me or any of my comrades do.
I called you "leftist" so that you know that I know who you are.

Dropping the charade for a moment, you do realize that we do recognize exactly what we did to the natives and knowledge of this is a required component of our public education system (unlike your own apparently, that conveniently forgets this sort of shit in favor of the myth of some great and benevolent turkish nation. I'll throw in a link for you about Hiroshima and Nagasaki (in case your education system ignores shit like that as well), pay attention to the bit where the ethical justification is not simply granted because we did it. You might also want to read up on Americas role in rebuilding and making amends to Japan for the 50 years or so following the incident. So, again, it's possible to have blood on your nations hands and not be a complete douche about it. As always, whatever is offered as an olive branch by the conquerors is insufficient from an ethical standpoint, but it's something isn't it. Surely something is a tad bit better than denial and continued reference to the sub-human or evil nature of one's conquered "enemies".

You do recognize what? You recognize nothing. If you do, why are the natives still piss-poor and live in shitty hovels in reserves, while you and me sit here, and talk about how America recognizes something that it might have done to the Natives?
Sure, sure.
As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I'm pretty, pretty sure that America did not feel the need to actually describe these events anything near a genocide, not unlike the decimation of the native Americans.
However, that's fine, since there certainly is no genocide to speak of.
And I did not say that we were peaceful. On the contrary, we came here, with our sabers in our hands, looting villages, burning cities, and slaughtering entire armies.
That's who we are. I do not deny it, nor do I feel bad about it. We are a nation of conquerors, and we came to conquer.
However, after we did, we settled down, built an empire and did what all settled people do. Laws, systems, and etc. A part of the system was that all those who cause unrest would be exiled to some place else, where they would be too confused to cause any more trouble. The case with armenians, and before that, millions of Turks throughout Ottoman history have been exiled to somewhere else, the most well known example being Azerbaijan, which is a country that was formed from exiled shia Turks from Anatolia. Hope you slowly begin to understand what constitutes a genocide and what does not.