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Who you voting for?
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Obama is not a Christian. He has probably always been an atheist. Any thinking person knows this.
Obama 2007 is not Obama 2012. Yeah and hey Obama, why the fuck is marijuana still illegal? If you lose Obama, you deserve it. And WE will pay the price. 
You guys had the indispensably wise words of George Carlin and you seriously consider your vote still matters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q  (December 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm)paintpooper Wrote: Obama is not a Christian. He has probably always been an atheist. Any thinking person knows this.Education is always a good thing. All "thinking people" at least take the time to do some research into what the guy has said, how he has acted, etc. So unless you are privy to some evidence that I haven't seen, I think you should refrain from making absurd comments. 
Is Obama really that terrible? I haven't really been following him much since he got in, but because I haven't been hearing people giving out about him on the regular, I assumed he was doing a good job. He did come after Bush after all. Do you Americans want to educate a confused Irishman?
As to him being a Christian, is that perhaps out of convenience? I hear it's hard to get places in American public life if you're an atheist. ![[Image: bloodyheretic.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=img849.imageshack.us%2Fimg849%2F8673%2Fbloodyheretic.png) "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Einstein When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life. - John Lennon  (December 15, 2011 at 4:28 pm)ReB Wrote: This isn't a thread where you gimi that bullshit, I don't have to tell you. I would like everyone to tell me who your voting for and why. I'd say Ron Paul myself, but I'm too young to vote. This guy has his shit straight. Thinking smaller government, but he seems like the right type of guy who could have more power without going all... Nixon on our asses. Am I right? Why? Why not? Please tell me. I'm voting for Obama because a lackluster might-as-well-be-a-republican Democrat is better than all of the republican contendors combined. I mean, just look at them. Michelle Bachman was once leading the polls. Newt Gingritch is now leading the polls. That's just awful. I would also do so in the hopes for a democratic majority to regain control of both the senate and the house so things can at least move forward, although I anticipate that if the republicans were in the minority again, the democrats would basically give them enough power to gridlock congress... again. That is to say taht there is no hope for congress but a bunch of spineless democrats in control might at least give the American people a chance in hell. However, I will say that I would vote for John Huntsman if he somehow becomes the nominee because although I don't agree with some of his policies, I agree with a surprisingly large number of them (particularly when it comes to his ideas for the big banks and corruption in washington). I would vote for him in the hopes that he does more than Obama has so far in alleviating that corruption. On that note, I *may* also vote for Ron Paul for the same reason. The Fed and the Pentagon both need to be auditted and despite the many things I don't like about him, some of the things he wants to do are things that I greatly agree with - including his foreign policies of getting the fuck out of dodge. I'm not that interested in his libertarian domestic policies, but if he can step in and do something about the corruption in washington, that's enough for me. Otherwise, Obama is the superior candidate because I'm still with him on most of his views. All he needs to do is follow up on them and stop giving so many gimmies to the republicans.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan  (December 16, 2011 at 4:14 pm)BloodyHeretic Wrote: Is Obama really that terrible? I haven't really been following him much since he got in, but because I haven't been hearing people giving out about him on the regular, I assumed he was doing a good job. He did come after Bush after all. Do you Americans want to educate a confused Irishman? Since he's came to office, Obama has prematurely compromised with his foes before even getting to the negotiation table. He then gives away most everything else during the negotiations. He then is surprised when liberals aren't fawning all over him with adoration for the small scraps he managed to get for us. He campaigned on "hope" but has dashed the lot of it over his fetish for "bipartisanship" and still winds up with no support on the other side of the aisle anyway. He campaigned on "yes we can" but his management style is more like "aw, c'mon guys". There are only two possibilities about what Obama is: 1. An inept wimp who offers soaring rhetoric and no follow-through. 2. A Republican "fifth column" (to use a British term), on a secret mission to save the Republican party from the destruction they faced in 2008 and revitalize their base while demoralizing the left. I believe the first of the two (I'm not big on conspiracy theories) but I have to tell you if the second is true, however much he's been paid, it isn't nearly enough given his success.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist RE: Who you voting for?
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(This post was last modified: December 16, 2011 at 5:52 pm by paintpooper.)
(December 16, 2011 at 4:00 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(December 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm)paintpooper Wrote: Obama is not a Christian. He has probably always been an atheist. Any thinking person knows this.Education is always a good thing. So wikipedia knows what Obama thinks. If he didn't go to church so many stupid Americans would call for his impeachment, blah blah anti-christ. Fuck they already do call him that. I stand by my thoughts that he is an atheist, or agnostic, regardless of what he does, or what Wikipedia says. You can not be the president of the US if you admit to being secular. Maybe he loves Jesus, maybe he doesn't, regardless, he has to act religious to be president, so only history will reveal his true beliefs. 
I actually think president Obama has done a good job or as good as could be expected with a dysfunctional Congress. I am voting for Obama.
 (December 16, 2011 at 3:23 am)ReB Wrote: Why is everyone voting Obama!? I promised myself I wouldn't discriminate in this thread, but Obama has worse ratings then Bush! What is wrong with you guys!? Look at his likely opponents, lad. Every one of them is not only stark raving nuts but bought and paid for by the cocksuckers who damn near ruined this country. (December 16, 2011 at 8:09 pm)J.D. Wrote: I actually think president Obama has done a good job or as good as could be expected with a dysfunctional Congress. I am voting for Obama. See, this I definately agree with. Despite everything, it has been an uphill battle for him given that the republican party, tea party, and others have basically vowed to do everything it takes to get him not elected twice - even to the point of taking this country hostage to get what they want. For a good example, google 'tea party tells businesses to stop hiring'. The GOP made a literal vow when they were elected into majority power in 2010. My primary complaint against Obama is that he didn't do enough but considering his obstacles and dealing with congress, he did make out fairly well. If he does get elected again, however, he NEEDS to do better. Too often has Obama "compromised" by giving republicans everything they wanted plus more for scraps of what we wanted - even when the democrats controlled EVERYTHING in '08, '09, and '10. There's just no excuse for that. We could have gotten so much more and American might be a few fewer steps away from the terrible state we're in now. Bloody spineless democrats.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan |
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