A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea

[Expired]

I just wonder how many animals survived at an altitude of 29000 feet, the flood waters covered the highest mountain apparently.
I bet Noah was freezing the poor old fellow. All that work creating all that lovely scenery wasted on a temper tantrum.

 

seriously?!?!?

Maybe you can ask one of you more intelligent peers to explain this to you, if you don't want to take my word for it.. but if this did happen then the water would push the atmosphere up with it. So what you count now 30K feet, is 30,000 feet from is sea level. Now add enough water to encompass the earth to what we now call 30,000 ft, and... it becomes the new SEA LEVEL! so the new 30K feet would be what we call 60K feet. So what would the conditions at the new sea level/30k feet? the same as they are now at our current sea level.

We do not measure altitude from the lowest part of the sea floor. Otherwise we at sea level would be 7 miles up.

I kills me when a poo poo-er doesn't understand the fundamentals he is trying to use to discredit God. This person/you heard this somewhere and just lemming-ed it here with out any thought or vetting. You just assumed it was true because that is what someone else in the group said... Good thing you weren't born when the earth was flat huh???

Drich  What about the atmosphere?

If the atmosphere wasn't growing outwards as the earth filled with water, air pressure would start to drop.
This is due to a combination of factors, as gravity increases air gets heavier, but since that air is spread out over a larger area the overall effect would have been decreasing air pressure, and we all know what low pressure can do right?

[Drich]

How long after the flood did it take for the salt water to separate from the fresh?

who says it had to mix? salt water is more dense. meaning unless agitated they naturally repel one another. In between a layer of brackish water. (If the water was agitated)
http://www.ngwa.org/Fundamentals/protect...ifers.aspx
(scroll down half way and Nasa has provided a pic of fresh water living right next to salt water and the two have not mixed!) The Salt water in this pic has contained the fresh and kept it separate.

Did the Antarctic ice cap have to survive the flood year totally submerged in water - not something usually good for ice - or did it float away from the continent and magically find its way back afterwards?

You do know salt water freezes at a much colder temp than the fresh water Ice of the Ice caps right???
That the fresh Ice could stay nice and solid in the much much colder salt water indefinitely.
http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1722

Also understand it isn't the ice that makes the arctic Hella cold. The ice form because the arctic is Hella cold. Therefore any flood water in the arctic would indeed be very very cold.

How did all the marsupials end up in the post-flood Australias and not settle in some equivalent environment? Why did pumas trek back to South America and not decide simply to set up camp in Africa?

Again, the story of the Ark is not about how a man saved creation from God. Meaning the ark was not the what saved creation. It was the faith Noah used to build the Ark. God saved creation from wicked man.
Meaning IF any of those creatures were on the Ark they were put on and returned the same way. "God did it."

How did all this animal displacement happen without leaving a trace of fossil evidence?

This one is just stupid.
Fossils.. Really? How long does it take to create a fossil supposedly? How many fossils were created in relation to the total number of a given species??? And now you want fossils of one of two (or 7) possible animals?

Better yet you provide an example of a 5000 year old fossil of anything, or are you saying no animals lived 5000 years ago?

[Drich]

No the ground (all of it) pukes up water. this is more like being on a boat that takes 40 Days and 40 nights to sink. Very little was move or destroyed, why? the water did not come in and wash everything out, it slowly crept up till the world was full

Yes, slowly . . . approximately 30,000 feet of water worldwide over the course of 40 days. In other words, an average of about half-a-foot rise in sea level per minute. You know, slowly.   

The titanic is at about 13,000 ft below sea level, and it reached that depth in minutes, yet again plates remain in an open face cupboard, books on shelves because those rooms flooded relatively slowly and evenly.

Slowly refers to a slower pace than the flood pictures most of you conjure up.

[Drich]

Well, see if his 'b-hole' is willing 'receive' this BS back. I'm sure he means well, but in the long run he just sets you guys up with a lot of false hope.

Hey, these guys are batting for your team, not ours.

No 'my team' says don't add or take anything away. a layer of water around the earth is never mentioned in the bible.

[Drich]

Drich could prove the Noah's Ark story to me and I still wouldn't believe in his "bible based Christianity", simply because he's a pompous asshole - exactly the type of Christian I found abrasive and counter-effective when I was still a believer.

That's good.. You determine truth by how you personally judge the person providing the narrative.

Let me ask, are you allowed to vote?

[LostLocke]

I think people like the Genesis story because it's a Jewish fairy tale and they simply love all Jewish fairy tales.

Meh. Needs more golems.

No. It needs more Gollums!

[Minimalist]

Drich Wrote: Rather how God used the faith of a singular man and his family as a reason for God himself to save creation, by only killing the wicked.

Your 'god' seems to be a singularly inept fuckhead if that is his best solution to the problem, dripshit.  Why would you worship such a clown?  Perhaps it is because you resemble him?

[Drich]

Yes, those "d-bags" who call themselves geologists.  Or are only geologists who study floods "d-bags?" That's childish even for you.

Profession does not make on a d-bag. It is how one behaves in said profession that make one a d-bag. Or are you saying out of all the different professions in the world 'geology' is the one profession that keeps narrow minded people from getting jobs? Does it prevent small box thinkers from speak out and making it look like the whole profession supports only one world view?

What the bible describes is a saturation flood not a flash flood. your d-bags are describing the after effects of flash flooding pretending no other flooding would be possible.

http://hillsborough.ifas.ufl.edu/prohort...ration.pdf

There are more problems with your explanation then with the lack of of a sedimentary layer.  The first problem is Genesis itself which says:  on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."  "Bursting forth" doesn't sound slow and gradual to me.  And then there's that pesky forty days and nights of rain.  So if Genesis is accurate there was more to it that water gradually rising out of the ground.

But let's look at what that "gradual" rise would mean.  To cover Mt. Everest the water would have to rise from sea level to 29,000 feet in 40 days (960 hours).  That would be a rate of over 30 feet an hour.  Over 16 and a half feet an hour if you only want to cover Mt. Ararat at 16,800 feet. You don't think that much water percolating out of the soil that fast would leave a mark?  Really?  You can say more of it was rain, but then you are back the lack of evidence of flooding.

Maybe if it were isolated to one singular point or source. the bible does not pin point only one source. It also said It rained 40 days and nights... It does not tell us how long the springs ran for.

But Genesis doesn't say it percolates, it bursts forth" out of the "springs of the deeps" whatever those might be.  That suggests localized springs not all over percolation.  But wherever it come from it would have run downhill from there, because that what water does, it runs downhill.

  You don't live in an area with springs do you? Springs happen in low areas. so the low areas will fill first and gradually fill upward. again not a flash flood situation.

And even if it all welled up from land at or below sea level, or from beneath the oceans, you still have to account for forty days of world wide rain leaving no trace.  In most of the world two or three days of steady rain creates flooding of a more conventional sort.

It does, but @ 6 to 8 ft rise per hour from the ground up for at least 40 days what mark would the rain leave. (I know you said 16 ft per hour but you were not counting rain fall totals nor the fact that the springs did not have to stop after 40 days.)

 So, yes, I would expect to see evidence of something like conventional flooding world wide.  The rain fell world wide according to the story for 40 days and nights.  That's a lot of streams, lakes etc. slipping their banks--all of them in fact.

Then you are guilty of only looking and calculating in single elements of the flood one at a time.

And then there's the shear volume of water necessary.  Others have already covered the rather major problems of where did an extra 3 billion cubic kilometers of water come from and where did it go.

asked and answered.

 

My question to you is if all that water exited the core of earth and then sat on top of it for 150 days before beginning to recede, don't you think the shear weight of all that water would leave a mark on the soil?  That's a hell of a lot of pressure.

Ever see pictures from the bottom of Marianas trench? kinda looks like rock and sand, and that is more than 7 miles down. (further than what we are talking about.)

Of and then there's salt.  Did it all stay handily in the oceans instead of spreading out and salting the waters of the flood? Otherwise that sedimentary layer we're missing ought to be salty too.

what is with you guys? did none of you ever attend 5th grade science class? Salt water and fresh does not mix well. See the info I left stimbo.

[Drich]

 

seriously?!?!?

Maybe you can ask one of you more intelligent peers to explain this to you, if you don't want to take my word for it.. but if this did happen then the water would push the atmosphere up with it. So what you count now 30K feet, is 30,000 feet from is sea level. Now add enough water to encompass the earth to what we now call 30,000 ft, and... it becomes the new SEA LEVEL! so the new 30K feet would be what we call 60K feet. So what would the conditions at the new sea level/30k feet? the same as they are now at our current sea level.

We do not measure altitude from the lowest part of the sea floor. Otherwise we at sea level would be 7 miles up.

I kills me when a poo poo-er doesn't understand the fundamentals he is trying to use to discredit God. This person/you heard this somewhere and just lemming-ed it here with out any thought or vetting. You just assumed it was true because that is what someone else in the group said... Good thing you weren't born when the earth was flat huh???

Drich  What about the atmosphere?

If the atmosphere wasn't growing outwards as the earth filled with water, air pressure would start to drop.
This is due to a combination of factors, as gravity increases air gets heavier, but since that air is spread out over a larger area the overall effect would have been decreasing air pressure, and we all know what low pressure can do right?

Asked and already answered.. As stated previously I ask what makes you think the air pressure and content was then as it is now? Let's say the air was just thick enough to allow for such expansion, but still allowing for the net result the bible describes; hypoxia, which could be used to described why the animals slept.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Drich Wrote: Rather how God used the faith of a singular man and his family as a reason for God himself to save creation, by only killing the wicked.

Your 'god' seems to be a singularly inept fuckhead if that is his best solution to the problem, dripshit.  Why would you worship such a clown?  Perhaps it is because you resemble him?

I'll bet that I can teach the tree in my backyard how to bake a cake before you can convince Drich that fire is hot.