(July 25, 2015 at 9:35 am)IATIA Wrote: Where then does the consciousness of a cat, dog or great ape go when they die?  I guess all dogs go to heaven, but what about the cat or ape?

It depend on who are you talking to.
Different people would tell you different things.
I believe that the small consciousness in animals goes towards the bigger human consciousness.
A dog will turn into an ape and an ape into a human being with the due exceptions.
A dog that live next to a human being may bypass the ape stage and turn into human into the next life. 

(July 25, 2015 at 9:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: I believe that the small consciousness in animals goes towards the bigger human consciousness.

I'm impressed by the level of stupidity of that. Especially since it's done riding the high horse.

(July 25, 2015 at 8:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: I can ask you the same question plumb and i am quite sure you wouldn't have a clue.
In fact i think that a farmer with a primary school degree has got more knowledge than you.
He knows that by planting in certain days of the month he would get a good crop.
On the other hand if you  with your uni degree would try to be a farmer you would starve very soon.  

I have never claimed to have a university degree so I'm not sure what that barb is about.
My education peeked at A-Level (for all you English people) as I needed to earn some money.
Anyhoo, I DO have an understanding of what science actually is and it bears no relation to what you think it is.

(July 25, 2015 at 9:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 25, 2015 at 9:35 am)IATIA Wrote: Where then does the consciousness of a cat, dog or great ape go when they die?  I guess all dogs go to heaven, but what about the cat or ape?

It depend on who are you talking to.
Different people would tell you different things.
I believe that the small consciousness in animals goes towards the bigger human consciousness.
A dog will turn into an ape and an ape into a human being with the due exceptions.
A dog that live next to a human being may bypass the ape stage and turn into human into the next life. 

This is the problem. The truth does not depend on who you talk to. It's just the particular unsubstantiated speculation that depends on who you talk to.

(July 25, 2015 at 10:08 am)robvalue Wrote:

(July 25, 2015 at 9:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: It depend on who are you talking to.
Different people would tell you different things.
I believe that the small consciousness in animals goes towards the bigger human consciousness.
A dog will turn into an ape and an ape into a human being with the due exceptions.
A dog that live next to a human being may bypass the ape stage and turn into human into the next life. 

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This is the problem. The truth does not depend on who you talk to. It's just the particular unsubstantiated speculation that depends on who you talk to.

I follow a line in tune with a scientific approach.
1) Consciousness is not matter that can be killed.
2) Science show us that the small merge into the big.
3) The flow of consciousness of small creatures flow into bigger one as demonstrated by the cells in food
that determine our behaviour in the good or in the bad.
4) There is no evidence that the consciousness die when the body die.
In fact there is evidence on the contrary as experienced by thousand of NDEs experiences.

To summarize my believes are more in line with the flow of nature than those of mainstream atheism in which you die when your body die. 
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(July 25, 2015 at 10:35 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 25, 2015 at 10:08 am)robvalue Wrote:

Quote:[quote pid='1004733' dateline='1437833292']
This is the problem. The truth does not depend on who you talk to. It's just the particular unsubstantiated speculation that depends on who you talk to.

I follow a line in tune with a scientific approach.
1) Consciousness is not matter that can be killed.
2) Science show us that the small merge into the big.
3) The flow of consciousness of small creatures flow into bigger one as demonstrated by the cells in food
that determine our behaviour in the good or in the bad.
4) There is no evidence that the consciousness die when the body die.
In fact there is evidence on the contrary as experienced by thousand of NDEs experiences.

To summarize my believes are more in line with the flow of nature than those of mainstream atheism in which you die when your body die. 

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Ummm... Every. Single. Thing. You. Wrote. Is. False.

Whoaaa. It's like that drug trip I saw in that movie when I was on that drug trip...

Again, you mean naturalism. Can you say naturalism? Is that too much to ask? Atheism is not a belief system, no matter how many times you say it is. There is no mainstream atheism.

We were nearly there when you admitted it was most atheists, now we're back to all atheists.

(July 25, 2015 at 10:55 am)robvalue Wrote: Again, you mean naturalism. Can you say naturalism? Is that too much to ask? Atheism is not a belief system, no matter how many times you say it is. There is no mainstream atheism.

We were nearly there when you admitted it was most atheists, now we're back to all atheists.

Talking to rik is like banging your head against a brick wall. Which is ironic as that is his favourite smiley.

Rick wouldn't recognize science if he tripped on it. "Atheism the unscientific believe." So much fail in this title, including:

1 - Atheism is not a tenet of science.

2 - Science is not required to be an atheist.

3 - Science does not support the existence of gods.

4 - Neither does science lead to the conclusion that gods do not exist.

5 - Science does cast doubt on the alleged empirical claims known as miracles.

6 - Science doesn't specifically rule out the supernatural, it merely pursues natural explanation as far as that can go.

Ok, really?

Rik, put down that Deepspeak generator and stop putting illegal substances in your tea.