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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:08 am
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(July 25, 2015 at 11:04 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Do you want Christian, Jewish or Roman sources? I have all three here:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion
http://atheistforums.org/thread-34162-po...#pid973916
The link is bad, but I suspect that it is not proof of death. Assuming, for sake of argument, all the 'ifs', there is reason to suspect that he was simply in a coma as was Lazarus.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:08 am
Do you not know that your advanced apologetics author is a holocaust denier and blames Israel for JFK's assassination?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:09 am
(July 25, 2015 at 11:06 am)robvalue Wrote: I have one last suggestion for you Randy, before I sign off for good from talking to you.
You seem to value Tim O'Neill's opinion very highly. Why not invite him to read this thread, and ask his opinion of if you're making any mistakes here? I'd he very interested in the result. That should be no problem if you're confident it's all above board.
As you know, O'Neill cites Josephus and Tacitus...just as Ehrman does...just as I did.
I would LOVE to see O'Neill engage some of the mythers in this forum again...the last time he did that was a joy to read.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:09 am
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Cato: Really, which one is that?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:10 am
(July 25, 2015 at 10:50 am)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 10:22 am)Losty Wrote: I didn't know you had any of that outside of the bible,
Yes, there is corroboration from Jewish and Roman sources. I provided links to the posts which discuss this.
Quote:which obviously doesn't count as it is no more credible than any other story book.
Incorrect. Ehrman cites the four gospels as well as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter and one other which escapes me at the moment. These are credible sources of information concerning Jesus and not mere "story books".
Quote:How can you have a verification of death when there's no verification of life? Have I been out so long that Christians got all this cool stuff while I was gone or are you just being goofy?
"...he did exist..." (Ehrman, Bart, Did Jesus Exist?, 6.)
Sorry, I didn't know that because Ehrman cited them that means they're credible sources. Lol
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:11 am
(July 25, 2015 at 11:08 am)IATIA Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 11:04 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Do you want Christian, Jewish or Roman sources? I have all three here:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion
http://atheistforums.org/thread-34162-po...#pid973916
The link is bad, but I suspect that it is not proof of death. Assuming, for sake of argument, all the 'ifs', there is reason to suspect that he was simply in a coma as was Lazarus.
Corrected above and in full here:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-34162-po...#pid973916
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:17 am
(July 25, 2015 at 11:09 am)robvalue Wrote: Really, which one is that?
The one you participated in:
Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
http://atheistforums.org/thread-33869-po...#pid958866
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:18 am
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(July 25, 2015 at 11:08 am)Cato Wrote: Do you not know that your advanced apologetics author is a holocaust denier and blames Israel for JFK's assassination?
He's also a geo-centrist.
How does that impact that accuracy of the material presented in those three books?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:21 am
(July 25, 2015 at 11:10 am)Losty Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 10:50 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Yes, there is corroboration from Jewish and Roman sources. I provided links to the posts which discuss this.
Incorrect. Ehrman cites the four gospels as well as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter and one other which escapes me at the moment. These are credible sources of information concerning Jesus and not mere "story books".
"...he did exist..." (Ehrman, Bart, Did Jesus Exist?, 6.)
Sorry, I didn't know that because Ehrman cited them that means they're credible sources. Lol
You did not know that hundreds...thousands...of professional NT scholars accept them?
That may explain why you are a member of this forum.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 11:26 am
(July 25, 2015 at 10:54 am)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 10:41 am)pocaracas Wrote: Care to tell us all what Ehrman claims can be extracted from the gospels as historical?
That Jesus existed.
Quote:And why is it that, even given those historical bits, he refuses to acknowledge that the resurrection story is an account of reality?
He has different views on the resurrection, obviously.
But at least he, Tim O'Neill and other honest atheists and skeptics can admit that Jesus really did exist in contradistinction with the intellectually lazy Jesus Mythicists who think that merely denying that fact is the easy way to a God-free life.
So... you agree that they accept that a guy named Jesus existed, but not the one in the story who got resurrected, right?
So, what do they say about the Jesus they accept as real?
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