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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 2:23 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 12:01 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 11:51 am)abaris Wrote: I'm not in absolute denial that a wandering preacher named Jesus might have existed. But there's no evidence of yes or no. So it's might. Even your new found love Ehrman can't take that leap. He's talking about his belief that Jesus was historical. Based on his study of the books. That will never go undisputed and Ehrman knows that.
Prove it. Cite a passage from one of Ehrman's books in which he claims that Jesus only "might have existed." Cause I'm reading his definitive treatment of the subject right now, and he is not waffling or sitting on the fence at all.
Quote:And yes, the pope and Ehrman speak about entirely different persons, since Ehrman does neither claim divinity nor supernatural capabilities for that Jesus person, whereas the pope just does that.
Kinda like the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians all worship different Gods because they view Jesus differently? Sorry. Doesn't work that way. Ehrman speaks of Jesus of Nazareth as a real person who really lived and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. Same as the pope.
Almost.... the pope would finish your sentence with "and was risen."
Bart, as far as I'm aware, doesn't.
I'll ask you again, Randy, what does Bart say about the resurrection?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:01 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 10:54 am)Randy Carson Wrote: That Jesus existed.
He has different views on the resurrection, obviously.
But at least he, Tim O'Neill and other honest atheists and skeptics can admit that Jesus really did exist in contradistinction with the intellectually lazy Jesus Mythicists who think that merely denying that fact is the easy way to a God-free life.
Unless you meet him every day on your way to the grocery store, all life is god-free life. I mean, have you ever heard from him? He doesn't write, doesn't call....and still gets pissed if you forget his birthday. That's not the kind of imaginary friend a nice person could dream up. Just saying.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Quote:But at least he, Tim O'Neill and other honest atheists and skeptics can admit that Jesus really did exist in contradistinction with the intellectually lazy Jesus Mythicists who think that merely denying that fact is the easy way to a God-free life.
If only they had some evidence beyond the lunatic ravings of ancient fuckheads.
But they don't.
The good news for them is apparently it still works on modern fuckheads.....like Randy.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:02 pm
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(July 25, 2015 at 2:10 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
Dude.....Are you for real?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:08 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 7:27 am)Stimbo Wrote: "Sweet dreams" are all he's got.
And they're made of this -_-
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:30 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 2:10 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The holocaust is a classic myth just like the Jesus story is. People who question either one are made out to be some type of evil nuts who won't see the "truth". The holocaust myth works because anyone who claims that it's BS is severely punished, even criminally in some places. That shuts down investigation. The whole purpose of the holocaust myth was to provide justification for the Jews to steal Palestine and to put the Palestinians into concentration camps.
When the war started there were fewer than 100,000 Jews in all of Germany. When the war ended there were still tens of thousands of Jews alive and kicking in Germany.
Wow, and to think my grandfather was lying to me all those years when he told me about liberating the death camps full of Jews in WWII and personally seeing the ovens they burned the dead Jews in.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:35 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 2:10 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
Dude.....Are you for real? Since you believe in one Jewish fairy tale why don't you believe in all of them?
http://www.zionism-israel.com/js/Jewish_State.html
You can read read the daily history in the New York Times archives. A lot of the articles are free but they do charge for some of them.
And you can't deny King Leopold II real genocide against the Congolese. That actually happened.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:36 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 3:35 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Dude.....Are you for real? Since you believe in one Jewish fairy tale why don't you believe in all of them?
http://www.zionism-israel.com/js/Jewish_State.html
You can read read the daily history in the New York Times archives. A lot of the articles are free but they do charge for some of them.
And you can't deny King Leopold II real genocide against the Congolese. That actually happened.
First you don't have the information that I believe in one Jewish fairy tale.
Second, some of my relatives were killed in a concentration camp. It's not a fucking fairy tale.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:42 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 3:30 pm)Rahul Wrote: (July 25, 2015 at 2:10 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The holocaust is a classic myth just like the Jesus story is. People who question either one are made out to be some type of evil nuts who won't see the "truth". The holocaust myth works because anyone who claims that it's BS is severely punished, even criminally in some places. That shuts down investigation. The whole purpose of the holocaust myth was to provide justification for the Jews to steal Palestine and to put the Palestinians into concentration camps.
When the war started there were fewer than 100,000 Jews in all of Germany. When the war ended there were still tens of thousands of Jews alive and kicking in Germany.
Wow, and to think my grandfather was lying to me all those years when he told me about liberating the death camps full of Jews in WWII and personally seeing the ovens they burned the dead Jews in.
That's always funny. Of course the camps had single corpse ovens for disposing of contagious bodies. We had them in our own concentration camps here in the USA and in Canada. But unlike the German ones you will never, ever, see any pictures of them. It's perfectly acceptable per the Geneva Conventions.
BTW, as you admitted, the camps were full of live Jews when they were liberated. Should they have left the rotting corpses laying around stinking up the place worse than they did? Hell, there are more survivors from the concentration camps today than there was in 1945. It's like they are being resurrected on a daily basis. So maybe Jesus was resurrected after all.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 25, 2015 at 3:53 pm
(July 25, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: That's always funny. Of course the camps had single corpse ovens for disposing of contagious bodies. We had them in our own concentration camps here in the USA and in Canada. But unlike the German ones you will never, ever, see any pictures of them. It's perfectly acceptable per the Geneva Conventions.
BTW, as you admitted, the camps were full of live Jews when they were liberated. Should they have left the rotting corpses laying around stinking up the place worse than they did? Hell, there are more survivors from the concentration camps today than there was in 1945. It's like they are being resurrected on a daily basis. So maybe Jesus was resurrected after all.
They were full of the surviving Jews, yeah. I don't see how the failure of 100% elimination of the Jews by the Nazis is somehow proof that most of them weren't slaughtered. What my grandfather described was not just a couple ovens for the occasional incidental death. This was industrial scale cremation.
The Holocaust is THE most well documented human atrocity ever.
BTW, at the beginning of WWII there were over 200,000 jews in Germany. At the end of the war 90% of those people no longer existed anywhere.
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