What makes you think you're right?

That video was kind of shitty and over the top. I'd say Muhammad had about average morals for the 6th century. The problem is that we live in the 21st century and nobody should take the moral advice of a 6th century slaver as their guide to live now.

(July 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That video was kind of shitty and over the top. I'd say Muhammad had about average morals for the 6th century. The problem is that we live in the 21st century and nobody should take the moral advice of a 6th century slaver as their guide to live now.

This is true

It's easy to make the argument that Muhammad wasn't exceptional for the time (an argument I've actually used myself before). However the difference between Muhammad and most other historical men is that Muhammad is supposed to be the "perfect man" all Muslim men should aspire to be, and it's fucked when you look at what he did.

(July 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote:

(July 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That video was kind of shitty and over the top. I'd say Muhammad had about average morals for the 6th century. The problem is that we live in the 21st century and nobody should take the moral advice of a 6th century slaver as their guide to live now.

This is true

It's easy to make the argument that Muhammad wasn't exceptional for the time (an argument I've actually used myself before). However the difference between Muhammad and most other historical men is that Muhammad is supposed to be the "perfect man" all Muslim men should aspire to be, and it's fucked when you look at what he did.

Right. I mean it's no wonder we have groups like ISIS. I don't think any leader from the 6th century should be held up to be the perfect man.

(July 26, 2015 at 5:16 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: What makes you think you're right?

The Lord has literally saved me. It guides me as I have faith in his direction of my existence and pray for nothing more or less than his direction for his good and praise.

Thanks.

(July 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote:

(July 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That video was kind of shitty and over the top. I'd say Muhammad had about average morals for the 6th century. The problem is that we live in the 21st century and nobody should take the moral advice of a 6th century slaver as their guide to live now.

This is true

It's easy to make the argument that Muhammad wasn't exceptional for the time (an argument I've actually used myself before). However the difference between Muhammad and most other historical men is that Muhammad is supposed to be the "perfect man" all Muslim men should aspire to be, and it's fucked when you look at what he did.

Slow down buddy. Mohammed was an upright man, meaning he had a good moral compass.

The perfect messenger that is spoken of in the Qur'an is Christ. Don't assume. If you aren't sure then maybe don't speak? Thanks.

(July 26, 2015 at 7:44 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(July 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: This is true

It's easy to make the argument that Muhammad wasn't exceptional for the time (an argument I've actually used myself before). However the difference between Muhammad and most other historical men is that Muhammad is supposed to be the "perfect man" all Muslim men should aspire to be, and it's fucked when you look at what he did.

Right. I mean it's no wonder we have groups like ISIS. I don't think any leader from the 6th century should be held up to be the perfect man.

Wrong person. Damn. Don't take my word for it read the book. Mohammed dealt straight with others for that time. Jesus was the perfect messenger.

(July 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'd say Muhammad had about average morals for the 6th century. The problem is that we live in the 21st century and nobody should take the moral advice of a 6th century slaver as their guide to live now.

Wishful thinking is nice, but it's no solution. There are 90 verses in the Koran that implore Muslims to imitate Mohammed ("a beautiful pattern of conduct"). He is held up to be the perfect role model, for all Muslims, for all time.

Islam is unreformable, IMO.

(July 25, 2015 at 11:19 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: Are we not all inhearantly evil and manipulated by satan regardless of our religion, or the lack there of?

No.

(July 25, 2015 at 11:39 am)popsthebuilder Wrote:

(July 25, 2015 at 11:35 am)Iroscato Wrote: No you silly boy, why would you even think that? Almost nobody is "inherently evil". Man, what's with the hardon for self-flagellation all you theists seem to have?

Look around with opened eyes then attempt that same conclusion.

I have. I've seen a vast majority that simply want to get along in peace with a few fucktards trying to fuck it up for everybody.