(August 1, 2015 at 7:56 am)abaris Wrote:

(August 1, 2015 at 7:46 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Islam is more violent than Christianity NOW. Historically Christianity taught Islam how to wage holy war when they started the crusades.

Or is it? There's only a thin coat of society and law preventing violent christians and jews to act on their vile impulses. The words are there as can be shown by looking at the sermons of evangelical pastors. And sometimes that coat breaks and the results are as ugly, as is shown by the knife attack of an ultra orthodox jew on members of a gay pride parade in Jerusalem these days.

But don't expect stoner to do something as exotic as a reality check. Otherwise he would be well aware of the FBI and Europol terror statistics in the public domain. He could also open an actual history book and have a look what christian Europe was like in the times of Mohammed. But no. He rather adores a 22 year old rightwing brat and Sam Harris, who's known for and frequently called out on his bigotry.

Yeah the law is holding the christians back except for the rare few occasional mental people who go and go on shoot people like recently here in the US.

(August 1, 2015 at 12:46 am)mralstoner Wrote:

(August 1, 2015 at 12:16 am)dyresand Wrote: Christianity. 
Violence and cruelty - 842
Total verses - 31102
Percent - 2.71

Islam
Violence and cruelty - 333
Total verses - 6236
Percent - 5.34

They are both equally pieces of shit religions.

When 2.71 = 5.34, I'll agree with you.

Number of battles ordered: Mo 65, Jesus 0.
Number of battles fought:   Mo 27, Jesus 0.
Number of poets killed:       Mo 10, Jesus 0.
Number of assassinations ordered/supported: Mo 45, Jesus 0.
Maximum number of Jews beheaded on one day: Mo 600-900, Jesus 0.

Islam and Christianity are only "equally shitty" if you're using animal farm logic.

When the Christians throw away the Old Testament and its God, then you will be free to ignore all of the murder and rape ordered by the God character in it.  Until then, you are giving a bullshit response.

(Of course, you will also have to throw out the New Testament, too, as it refers back to the Old Testament.)

Additionally, you are ignoring the fact that Jesus repeatedly takes great delight in imagining his enemies burning in hell FOREVER.  So Jesus is delighted by infinite cruelty and violence.

(August 1, 2015 at 7:46 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Islam is more violent than Christianity NOW. Historically Christianity taught Islam how to wage holy war when they started the crusades.

You should work for a Muslim advocacy group or the Obama administration. You live in a fantasy world where Mohammed was a delicate, sensitive and tolerant man of mercy and justice and .... meanwhile back on planet earth ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

(August 1, 2015 at 8:45 pm)mralstoner Wrote: You should work for a Muslim advocacy group or the Obama administration. You live in a fantasy world where Mohammed was a delicate, sensitive and tolerant man of mercy and justice and .... meanwhile back on planet earth ...

Idiot, open a history book and look at what christian Europe was like in the times of Mohammed. Otherwise stew in Lala conspiracy land for all I care. You're in the same category as Alex Jones. Only less successful I gather.

I think the whole point is that humans will be violent no matter what their base belief. But if we divorce humans from the ideology, and just compare the ideologies themselves, Islam, and Muhammad as the main prophet of that religion, is waaaaaay more violent than Jesus is with Christianity. The main comparison is the main guy preaching the word. Not what the followers of each religion do.

Christians were brutal back in the day. Hell, pretty much everyone was brutal back in the day. But if you want to find justification for being brutal it is easier to find it in Islam than it is with the Christians, and especially the Protestant faith that focuses primarily on the New Testament and frequently dismisses the brutality in the Old Testament as being superseded by Jesus.

Mohammed presided over slaughters, raped daughters in front of murdered fathers, married and raped little girls, etc. Jesus was much less horrible a literary person than that. God the Father in the Old Testament? Yeah, he was as brutal as Mohammed. Jesus was a sweetheart. Of course he's fictional. Which would explain it. Mohammed was real and disgusting.

(August 1, 2015 at 8:45 pm)mralstoner Wrote:

(August 1, 2015 at 7:46 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Islam is more violent than Christianity NOW. Historically Christianity taught Islam how to wage holy war when they started the crusades.

You should work for a Muslim advocacy group or the Obama administration. You live in a fantasy world where Mohammed was a delicate, sensitive and tolerant man of mercy and justice and .... meanwhile back on planet earth ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

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When the crusaders struck the middle east they plunged into what was a relatively peaceful and advanced civilisation. The Christians were the barbarian invaders who had been given cart blanche to act as beastly as they liked in the name of god.

The Muslims took notes.

(August 2, 2015 at 3:29 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The Muslims took notes.

They already had notes of their own, long before the first Crusade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophetic_biography

In the first two centuries of Islamic history, sīra was more commonly known as maghāzī (literally, stories of military expeditions), which is now considered to be only a subset of sīra.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza

The Invasion of Banu Qurayza[1] took place in the Dhul Qa‘dah during February and March of 627 AD (5 AH).[7]
The Banu Qurayza was besieged for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] One of Muhammad's companions decided that "the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives". Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it similar to God's judgment,[8][9][10][11][12] after which all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[2][13] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600–900 being executed.[1][3]