Fact, every single german nazi was a christian

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Fact, blanket statements are always false.

The fact remains that the Nazi party was a member of the Fascist movement, which was explicitly the political wing of the Vatican.
To claim that it could be divorced from that is stretching credibility, though that's par for course when dealing with theist's special snowflake...

The fact remains that the OP did a hit-and-run post, which I've reported, on what is supposed to be a discussion forum (rules.gen.2.4).

The RCC had influence just as any other large company would have, but they didn't have legislative power. The fact that some views or policies between the NSDAP and RCC is hardly evidence of the NSDAP taking the RCC's views policies and beliefs wholesale.

FACT: EVERY SINGLE GERMAN NAZI WAS A GERMAN AND A NAZI.

(August 14, 2015 at 8:45 am)Aractus Wrote: FACT: EVERY SINGLE GERMAN NAZI WAS A GERMAN AND A NAZI.

I am shocked. SHOCKED!

but only a small minority were ticklish!

(August 14, 2015 at 8:34 am)Mr Greene Wrote: The fact remains that the Nazi party was a member of the Fascist movement, which was explicitly the political wing of the Vatican.

Wrong on both accounts. No further explanations needed, since there are actual books out there to look things up.

I gave the long answer, you gave the short. In summary - if you take any two groups of people, no matter how different, you can and will find commonalities. That alone is not evidence of one influencing the other.

(August 13, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Dystopia Wrote: My primary source before quoting the wiki is a marxist friend of mine, who I assumed to be correct because he is very devout and reads all kind of marxist literature - Mistakes are more likely because when you hear something from someone you may eventually forget parts or even confuse things, so I apologize for that. 

That's always a danger, especially when the person is passionate about matters.

(August 13, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Dystopia Wrote: To say that atheism as a more desirable position for the State had nothing to do with this is extremely dishonest and Stalin specifically saw atheism as a better position on the existence of gods, and so did the party and the bolcheviks as a general rule (certainly there were exceptions)

Oh, I know that the State persecuted the Churches. I specifically mentioned that earlier, and I specifically mentioned the persecution of the 30s; and of course it had to do with the state's official position, as I already noted. Calling me dishonest doesn't seem apt, and it isn't really appreciated.

As for it being against more than one tiny group, I hadn't realized so many priests were shot. It should still be noted that as a percentage of Orthodox Russians, 85,000 is a small proportion. Thanks for the correction on that matter.

(August 13, 2015 at 6:08 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(August 13, 2015 at 2:36 pm)Cephus Wrote: Yes it can be.  Atheism, however, has no choice.  You can't be a religious atheist, that's an oxymoron.

Who said otherwise?

The people who are arguing against me when I said that atheism, by definition, must also be secular?

(August 13, 2015 at 7:25 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(August 13, 2015 at 4:47 pm)Cephus Wrote: It doesn't matter why he did it, it only matters that he did it.  The religious don't want to acknowledge that, or aren't even aware of it, because it interferes with their oppression narrative.

I get what you're saying, that they are dissimulating, but from the atheist perspective, it very much matters why he did that. He wasn't being generous, and we shouldn't give the impression we think he was, in order to avoid the inevitable "aha!".

As Abaris has pointed out, history is a very complicated and nuanced study. Appealing to the simple-minded thinking of religionistas in order to score points demotes us to their rank. We should exemplify the thinking we wish to encourage, even when we cannot garner points in argumentation about it.

My point is, there are a lot of theists out there who insist that Stalin persecuted the churches and outlawed religion and that's all there is to it, when that view is factually incorrect.  Nobody is saying Ol' Joe Stalin was a nice guy, he wasn't, but he wasn't the religion-hating atheist that the religious desperately want to make him out to be, especially when they want to blame his atheism for his actions, which is likewise, entirely untrue.  Stalin was pushing communism, a political system which requires functional adherence to the state, he was wiping out other institutions which got in the way of that and religion was one, but hardly the only, one of those systems that he got rid of, at least for a while.  But there are a lot of Christians out there who are trying desperately to twist the historical facts to their religious narrative, that atheists are religion-hating, baby-eating monsters, and they're doing history entirely wrong.

That's the sum total of what I was saying.