(August 3, 2015 at 1:44 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(August 3, 2015 at 1:38 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: There is no way that the resurrection was a real thing, does that worry you?

The resurrection is a historical fact. That should worry you.

Evidence?

(August 10, 2015 at 2:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:

(August 10, 2015 at 2:17 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Orange, I think the key point is we don't know anything before Planck time. So, we can only go back to that horizon. Before that, the current laws of physics may not hold. 

Also, matter and energy are different forms of the same thing. So, you can't really divorce one from the other. And energy was certainly present at Planck time and was not created AFAIK. I'm not sure about time, but space expanded during the BB, but we don't know what form it may have existed in here prior to Planck time. There are many theories, but little to no empirical evidence, again AFIAIK.

Alex K could no doubt wax eloquent and in detail here. I'm an IT guy. What the hell do I know?

And this would put the events prior to the Planck time as "supernatural" (or outside natural law) since the laws of nature are broken down.

Or, simply subject to a different set of laws of nature. The cold, hard truth is, nobody knows.

(August 13, 2015 at 10:23 am)robvalue Wrote: There is nothing the FSM can't do. It can have dogma and no dogma. It can contradict itself. It made all other gods.

Pretty simple stuff, we learnt it on day 1 of wearing-a-colander-on-your head school.

Of course he made your gods. Everything needs a creator. Except the FSM.

Besides, isn't it obvious that the universe is fine tuned to allow for Pasta?!?

(August 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I'm here to get information into the minds of some people who desperately need it.

Honestly, I find it completely reprehensible that your stated mission is to spread your mind virus to people who (in your estimation) "desperately need it." You may want us to have it Randy, but we do not need your propaganda information.

(August 17, 2015 at 9:01 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Honestly, I find it completely reprehensible that your stated mission is to spread your mind virus to people who (in your estimation) "desperately need it." You may want us to have it Randy, but we do not need your propaganda information.

Not to interrupt your prolific posting solo, but you're giving him way too much credit.

Christian preachers are presumably trying to help us avoid being endlessly tortured by their own source of morality.

(August 17, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: I think by now it should be fairly evident to everyone on the forum, member and lurker, and even members of the catholic forum where randy is from who no doubt lurk on here from time to time (hi btw ), that he is a compulsive liar incapable of intellectually honest debate.

[para]'I quote my sources most of the time' reads as 'I only try and pass off the works of others as my own some of the time'. He was caught out, and so begins the arduous contorted attempt to excuse why after being caught red handed.

I think people, if they want to continue to talk to him, should take it under advisement that there's a good chance you are talking to someone who is intellectually bankrupt when it comes to honesty and integrity and who has absolutely no interest in real interaction on here at all.

(August 18, 2015 at 7:22 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 17, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: I think by now it should be fairly evident to everyone on the forum, member and lurker, and even members of the catholic forum where randy is from who no doubt lurk on here from time to time (hi btw ), that he is a compulsive liar incapable of intellectually honest debate.

[para]'I quote my sources most of the time' reads as 'I only try and pass off the works of others as my own some of the time'. He was caught out, and so begins the arduous contorted attempt to excuse why after being caught red handed.

I think people, if they want to continue to talk to him, should take it under advisement that there's a good chance you are talking to someone who is intellectually bankrupt when it comes to honesty and integrity and who has absolutely no interest in real interaction on here at all.

Poor randy .. he must be watching his hands for his very own Stigmata.

(August 18, 2015 at 7:22 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 17, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: I think by now it should be fairly evident to everyone on the forum, member and lurker, and even members of the catholic forum where randy is from who no doubt lurk on here from time to time (hi btw ), that he is a compulsive liar incapable of intellectually honest debate.

[para]'I quote my sources most of the time' reads as 'I only try and pass off the works of others as my own some of the time'. He was caught out, and so begins the arduous contorted attempt to excuse why after being caught red handed.

I think people, if they want to continue to talk to him, should take it under advisement that there's a good chance you are talking to someone who is intellectually bankrupt when it comes to honesty and integrity and who has absolutely no interest in real interaction on here at all.

I know, that's what we look like, morning or evening, when we read your posts.

(August 18, 2015 at 7:22 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: I think by now it should be fairly evident to everyone on the forum, member and lurker, and even members of the catholic forum where randy is from who no doubt lurk on here from time to time (hi btw ), that he is a compulsive liar incapable of intellectually honest debate.

I think your judgement is a little harsh.

Randy isn't an intellectual, he's a salesman, it's what he does.  When he's selling whatever he's selling, he doesn't need to understand what he's selling, he's just got to try to get his sales methodology right.

It's the same when he's selling Jesus - for heaven's sake he can't even see the curious contradiction that, while he's a Protestant who switched to Catholicism, all his sales materials and methodology are Protestant Evangelical.

So, Randy doesn't have discussions, he has sales methodologies.