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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 2:56 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Spooky Wrote: (August 29, 2015 at 2:17 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: How can Catholics (and Orthodox and Lutherans and some Anglicans...) be cannibals if:
1. Jesus never even existed? (Jesus Mythicists)
2. Jesus didn't actually die on the cross in the first place? (Swoon Theorists/Muslims)
3. Jesus' body decayed in his tomb (or was buried in a shallow grave, dug up and consumed by wild dogs) long ago? (Conspiracy Theorists)
4. Jesus' physical body was fully consumed by the earliest Christians with no leftovers?
IOW, don't waste our time calling us cannibals until you can first explain how it is that we even have a body to consume. Your OP, of course, requires that we do.
No body > No cannibalism.
You do not believe any of those things - therefore - cannibalism.
The op, as far as I understand, is saying that >According to your beliefs< You are a cannibal.
Randy, you're diverting attention away from the actual question.
Diversion from the actual questions or points is one of the first duties of the spin doctor.
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:00 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Spooky Wrote: (August 29, 2015 at 2:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I'm asking for consistency and coherence.
If Jesus never existed, Christians cannot be cannibals.
If Jesus never died, Christians cannot be cannibals.
If Jesus' body remained forever in the tomb or was eaten by animals, Christians cannot be cannibals.
What must be true in order for Christians to be cannibals, Spooky?
All the crazy shit you believe.
Exactly.
So, either all that we believe MUST be true to enable us to eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood OR the charge of cannibalism is simply empty rhetoric.
Which is it?
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:03 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 3:00 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (August 29, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Spooky Wrote: All the crazy shit you believe.
Exactly.
So, either all that we believe MUST be true to enable us to eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood OR the charge of cannibalism is simply empty rhetoric.
Which is it?
Both.
1. The crazy shit you believe isn't true.
2. Because you believe the crazy shit you do, you are therefore a cannibal.
You're a credit to your species, you dense catholic you.
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:12 pm
Randy, did you happen to hear a "whoosh" as something sailed over your head?
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:17 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 1:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: It's absolutely disgusting to pretend to eat human flesh. Either do it properly or not at all.
Might as well have a light beer with that too. (yuuuch! ptoowy)
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:23 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Spooky Wrote: (August 29, 2015 at 3:00 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Exactly.
So, either all that we believe MUST be true to enable us to eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood OR the charge of cannibalism is simply empty rhetoric.
Which is it?
Both.
1. The crazy shit you believe isn't true.
2. Because you believe the crazy shit you do, you are therefore a cannibal.
You're a credit to your species, you dense catholic you.
If the "crazy shit" we believe isn't true, then we're just eating bread and drinking wine...despite what we believe.
How does that make us cannibals? At best, it just makes us crazy...
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:25 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Randy, did you happen to hear a "whoosh" as something sailed over your head?
If you think that I have missed something, CD, please explain it to me.
In actual fact, the OP charges us with something that is, according to atheist beliefs, not technically possible.
So why the silly thread? (Other than the gratuitous drumbeat of anti-Catholicism, of course.)
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:29 pm
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(August 29, 2015 at 3:23 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: If the "crazy shit" we believe isn't true, then we're just eating bread and drinking wine...despite what we believe.
How does that make us cannibals? At best, it just makes us crazy...
It is all about intent.
And if you have kids, you will tell them that they are eating blood and flesh.
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:32 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 1:28 pm)dyresand Wrote: Cannibalism is fine in the confines of eating the bread and drinking the blood of your savior.
..........WHY ON EARTH DO YOU THINK EATING THE FLESH.. *ahem* flesh and drinking the blood of your savior is a good idea.
I mean we can know cannibalism is wrong even metaphorical cannibalism should be frowned upon as well.
Not only that, but carrion eaters as well.
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RE: cannibalism and you (christianity)
August 29, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 3:00 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (August 29, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Spooky Wrote: All the crazy shit you believe.
Exactly.
So, either all that we believe MUST be true to enable us to eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood OR the charge of cannibalism is simply empty rhetoric.
Which is it?
Not quite. You are not a cannibal (at least not from the traditional Eucharist; what you do at other times I cannot say). But it is not merely "empty rhetoric" to call you a cannibal. You would be a cannibal if your doctrine of Transubstantiation were true. You believe yourself to be a cannibal. Though, of course, you may not accept that term, as many people say all sorts of things and then insist that the terms that accurately apply to them, do not apply to them. Oftentimes, people misuse words.
If the doctrine of transubstantiation were true, then Catholics would be cannibals.
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