(September 21, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Aroura Wrote: I'm also kind of pissed, now that I look into this, that this kid is basically being given anything he wants, when other children who did exactly nothing wrong still languish in the system, and don't even get any press.  

11 year old gifted boy pot leaf, not a pot leaf

So, where is the invite for this bright young child to come to the white house?  Where is his Tons of shit from Microsoft?  He's been permanently damaged (unlike the boy in this story, who at worst had a little scare from cops, but even that is still in question).  Why is he still being punished?

So yeah.  If the police did treat him badly, that absolutely needs to be brought to light, and those officers disciplined.  That is not acceptable.  
But the teachers reactions were not in the wrong, as far as anyone's story goes, even the boys.  This kid is basically being rewarded for being a minority who "MIGHT" have been mistreated by police. Everyone grab your weapon and pick a side though, amIrite?

Batrachomyomachy.  Look it up.

I agree, Aurora. Our country has some weird priorities sometimes. He's getting all these offers and all this free stuff just because he's a brown kid who got wrongly accused of a hoax bomb. I mean, I'm sure he's really smart, but if it weren't for the narrative, this would all be nothing.

Quote:The only thing that really bothers me about all of this is that the boy is going to get an easy ride now, while other great students will never get such a ride.

"Other students" weren't handcuffed by the fucking cops.

In the meantime what kind of behavior is being reinforced by the captains of industry and the White House? Make a hoax bomb, lie about your ability, disobey school authority, defy law enforcement....and get free college tuition and a date with the Pres.

Can't wait to see what the the next outrage jackpot will bring.

(September 21, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Um, Divi Tiberio, if you look through the Fucking Cops thread you'll see that they do that all the time.... mainly if the kids or the old guy are minorities.

Fair enough, the world is already an awful place then, but my point is we shouldn't be doing this.

(September 22, 2015 at 8:34 am)ChadWooters Wrote: In the meantime what kind of behavior is being reinforced by the captains of industry and the White House? Make a hoax bomb, lie about your ability, disobey school authority, defy law enforcement....and get free college tuition and a date with the Pres.

Can't wait to see what the the next outrage jackpot will bring.

Let's see:

1) Make a hoax bomb - Not what happened. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a hoax bomb have to (1) actually look like a bomb, and (2) come with some sort of threat that it's a bomb. Even if the clock did look like a bomb, when the student says "it's a clock", it's not a hoax bomb, because there's no "hoax"; the student is telling you what it is.

2) Lie about your ability - No evidence that he did this either. Again, this is a 14 year old kid we're talking about here. He said he made a clock, which he did. Doesn't matter that he took an existing clock, pulled it apart, and reassembled it in a new case; he still made something, and that something was a clock.

3) Disobey school authority - Again, no real evidence he did this either. Even so, disobeying school authority is not grounds for what the school and the police then did to him. That's the main reason he's going to the White House...because he's been mistreated.

4) Defy law enforcement - No evidence he did this either. The guy was arrested, but I don't see anything about him resisting arrest. He might not have answered the police's questions satisfactorily, but guess what? That's his right! He has a right to remain silent if he wants to. He also had a right to call his parents, but the police didn't allow that, so who's really in the wrong when it comes to defying the law here?

All we can do is protest against it, boss.

(September 22, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(September 21, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Um, Divi Tiberio, if you look through the Fucking Cops thread you'll see that they do that all the time.... mainly if the kids or the old guy are minorities.

Fair enough, the world is already an awful place then, but my point is we shouldn't be doing this.

(September 22, 2015 at 8:34 am)ChadWooters Wrote: In the meantime what kind of behavior is being reinforced by the captains of industry and the White House? Make a hoax bomb, lie about your ability, disobey school authority, defy law enforcement....and get free college tuition and a date with the Pres.

Can't wait to see what the the next outrage jackpot will bring.

Let's see:

1) Make a hoax bomb - Not what happened. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a hoax bomb have to (1) actually look like a bomb, and (2) come with some sort of threat that it's a bomb. Even if the clock did look like a bomb, when the student says "it's a clock", it's not a hoax bomb, because there's no "hoax"; the student is telling you what it is.

2) Lie about your ability - No evidence that he did this either. Again, this is a 14 year old kid we're talking about here. He said he made a clock, which he did. Doesn't matter that he took an existing clock, pulled it apart, and reassembled it in a new case; he still made something, and that something was a clock.

3) Disobey school authority - Again, no real evidence he did this either. Even so, disobeying school authority is not grounds for what the school and the police then did to him. That's the main reason he's going to the White House...because he's been mistreated.

4) Defy law enforcement - No evidence he did this either. The guy was arrested, but I don't see anything about him resisting arrest. He might not have answered the police's questions satisfactorily, but guess what? That's his right! He has a right to remain silent if he wants to. He also had a right to call his parents, but the police didn't allow that, so who's really in the wrong when it comes to defying the law here?

I thought it was illegal to question a minor without parents or parents attorney present

(September 22, 2015 at 1:13 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: I thought it was illegal to question a minor without parents or parents attorney present

You are correct. Apparently Section 52.025 of the Texas Family Code states: "A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney".

Link: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Do.../FA.52.pdf (the relevant section starts on page 5, but the quote is from page 6)

(September 22, 2015 at 1:17 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(September 22, 2015 at 1:13 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: I thought it was illegal to question a minor without parents or parents attorney present

You are correct. Apparently Section 52.025 of the Texas Family Code states: "A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney".

Link: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Do.../FA.52.pdf (the relevant section starts on page 5, but the quote is from page 6)

So is nobody going to call them out on this?! Not to mention the cops probably did say racially insensitive things during transport or in the time he wasn't allowed to call his parents. Of course there's no proof but c'mon does anyone really think they didn't?

Oh I'm sure the ACLU will take up the case if Ahmed's family hasn't already.

All that means is that anything the kid says while in custody cannot be used against him in court.  It does nothing to prevent the cops from humiliating the kid which seems to have been their prime motivation.