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BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
#71
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
(October 1, 2015 at 10:33 pm)Cecelia Wrote:
(October 1, 2015 at 8:27 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Numbers?  Do you have data?

Simulations have been run by law enforcement have shown that untrained (and even those with some training) are unlikely to hit an assailant in a shooting.

An article and a video demonstrating:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7298996&page=1








(from the article) "You have to be able to know what your target is; but you also have to know what's behind your target, what's around your target; you're very responsible for everything," Benton said. "One stray bullet that misses and hits a bystander, you're responsible for it."


The stress of the situation and the psychological effects are greater than most people realize.  That's why there's so much police training.  They don't jump in there, and day one are ready to react to a shooting. Even if you handle guns all the time, you don't handle them under the stressful situation of someone shooting back at you. 

Also keep in mind that shooting a handgun is harder than any other type of gun. 

Many law enforcement officers that I know echo similar opinions that untrained civilians aren't likely to successfully stop a mass shooting.  It's nothing like a video game, or out at the range where bullets aren't flying back.  The results of this simulation are what you'd expect.  Imagine trying to shoot someone with a handgun (which are fairly inaccurate to begin with) in a crowded and dark theater.  Or in a classroom with people screaming and running everywhere.  It's not as easy as the movies makes it look.  Which is why it's so rare that an armed civilian stops a mass shooting.  It's a pipe dream of many gun enthusiasts who want to get to shoot someone.

Keep in mind most states have little to no requirements for a concealed carry permit.  

I asked for numbers to support your claim. Do you have those numbers, or no? Be clear.

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#72
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
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"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#73
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
Quote:And yes, it is a right in America to own a gun.

Only since 2008 when five shitheads overturned an earlier decision.  In order to do this they ignored the part of the amendment which speaks of a well-regulated militia...which certainly does not mean every moron with a gun.
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#74
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
(October 2, 2015 at 2:01 am)Minimalist Wrote: Only since 2008 when five shitheads overturned an earlier decision.  In order to do this they ignored the part of the amendment which speaks of a well-regulated militia...which certainly does not mean every moron with a gun.

I honestly despise idiots who cannot understand history or government.

The second amendment was meant only for militia means, and not for any idiot with a cause to own one.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#75
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
(October 1, 2015 at 8:04 pm)EvidenceVersusFaith Wrote: I read some years back that New Zealand is the most peaceful country in the world.
The abundance of sheep may have something to do with it.
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#76
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
Quote:Quote:
And yes, it is a right in America to own a gun.



The American social experiment has failed.
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#77
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
(October 2, 2015 at 2:03 am)Kitan Wrote:

Quote:I honestly despise idiots who cannot understand history or government.

The second amendment was meant only for militia means, and not for any idiot with a cause to own one.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that the slave owners had guns available to kill any slaves that dared to start a rebellion.  But before the ink was dry on the Constitution there were various State laws passed which tried to restrict the concealed carrying of pistols.  Evidently too many white guys were getting shot.

And we all know about the numerous Western towns where the local sheriff was more than happy to kill anyone who dared wear a gun in his town.  Hollywood made a million movies  with that story line.  

When magazine advertising became popular over 100 years ago gun ads depicted little kids sleeping with their own pistols because they were so safe.  And 60 years ago the magazines were full of Christmas ads showing Dad, Mom, and the kids each with their own new guns that they just got for Christmas presents.

I think the current whining that happens when a white guy shoots up a school is funny.  That's what white guys like to do.  Cops like to shoot black people.  Black people like to shoot black kids and each other.  Muslims like to blow themselves up.  People are basically insane and 10,000 new gun laws won't do very much to improve people's sanity.

It's been estimated that there are already 20,000 assorted gun laws in the US.  Of course the people who want more gun laws claim that's not an accurate number and that it's much lower.  

One thing is for sure:  if a person really wants a gun he can always steal one from a cop.  No background check required.
http://www.fox19.com/story/23829929/fox1...uns-stolen
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#78
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
Open question for USians:

How many more mass shootings is it going to take until your government wakes up to the fact that there needs to be better ways to keep guns away from unstable people?

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#79
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
The best way to get America to want gun controls will be to get all the Muslims to join the NRA.
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#80
RE: BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING
(October 1, 2015 at 9:18 pm)KUSA Wrote: Has any psychology expert ever figured out why some people want to murder kids in school?

Something to do with copycat mentality maybe?
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