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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 2:41 am
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(October 8, 2015 at 12:49 am)Jenny A Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 12:45 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Most Christians won't agree due to their pride. That verse is true, those who believed in Jesus before he came were saved, those who believed in Jesus when he was alive, and those who believed in Jesus after he rose are saved.
What does pride have to do with thinking that the crucifixion was necessary to salvation; and if it wasn't, what was the point of the crucifixion?
I'm saying most Christians won't agree with the 'belief only in Jesus for their salvation'. Sorry I wasn't clear, but many sects of Christianity preach a different gospel than the one preached by the bible. They take away from the cross by adding their own works like repenting from their sins (repentance gospel) and being a good disciple of Christ (lordship gospel) which is all pride. The bible states clearly that the only thing to be proud about is what Jesus did and how GOd saved us.
(October 8, 2015 at 1:46 am)Thena323 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 1:12 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: 144,000 referred to in Revelation are old testament saints from the 12 tribes of Israel.
The exact number of people saved is not mentioned in the bible.
it is a sad verse.. the way is simple, accessible, and easy to enter, but many will try their own way and it'll fail hard No, you're playing games or you've misread the verses:
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Sorry, but that does NOT mean that the way into the Kingdom of God is simple, accessible and easy to enter.
I'll assume that you don't want to contend with the troublesome issue of there are few who find it.
beware of perversions of bibles in modern day retranslations. I believe there is a hidden agenda to change verses to refute biblical doctrines. Read the KJV bible.
Don't be deceived. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Believe on Him alone and you will be saved.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 2:50 am
(October 8, 2015 at 2:41 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: beware of perversions of bibles in modern day retranslations. I believe there is a hidden agenda to change verses to refute biblical doctrines. Read the KJV bible.
Dude, seriously?
You're really asserting that "modern day retranslations" are a "hidden agenda", rather than a better understanding of how to translate ancient Greek and Hebrew into English (since we now have found more ancient documents than they had at the start of the 17th century, for the purpose of understanding the idioms and word usage of those writers), but that the translators of the Authorized King James Version did not?!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 3:03 am
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(October 8, 2015 at 2:50 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 2:41 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: beware of perversions of bibles in modern day retranslations. I believe there is a hidden agenda to change verses to refute biblical doctrines. Read the KJV bible.
Dude, seriously?
You're really asserting that "modern day retranslations" are a "hidden agenda", rather than a better understanding of how to translate ancient Greek and Hebrew into English (since we now have found more ancient documents than they had at the start of the 17th century, for the purpose of understanding the idioms and word usage of those writers), but that the translators of the Authorized King James Version did not?!
Yeah
They change the words and take out entire verses
(October 8, 2015 at 1:15 am)Stimbo Wrote: The whole damn book is sad. Not as much as the people who take it seriously though.
Foolishness for the unsaved. Power of God for the saved.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 3:08 am
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 4:24 am
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(October 8, 2015 at 3:03 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 2:50 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Dude, seriously?
You're really asserting that "modern day retranslations" are a "hidden agenda", rather than a better understanding of how to translate ancient Greek and Hebrew into English (since we now have found more ancient documents than they had at the start of the 17th century, for the purpose of understanding the idioms and word usage of those writers), but that the translators of the Authorized King James Version did not?!
Yeah
They change the words and take out entire verses
You're totally missing my point.
Am I really about to have to teach a Christian about his own Bible, again?
The King James I of England's Authorized version, you think has no "political agendas" or errors in its translation, but that anything which deviates from a book commanded to be put forth by a king (and a very unpopular one, who was known for political manipulation). In fact, the KJV was literally created for the purpose of manipulating the Church of England's doctrine at a time when he needed the priests as political allies:
Quote:The King James Version (KJV), also known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible(KJB), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611. In 1612, the first King James Version using Roman Type was issued. This quartoversion is only second to the 1611 folio KJV.
First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker, this was the third translation into English to be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great Bible commissioned in the reign of King Henry VIII (1535), and the second was the Bishops' Bible of 1568. In January 1604, James I convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England. The translation is considered a towering achievement in English literature, as both beautiful and scholarly.
James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy. The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.
(Bold emphasis, as always, my own. I included the bit about it being the third translation because of something you said earlier about the older the translation, the better.)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 4:31 am
(October 8, 2015 at 3:03 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Foolishness for the unsaved. Power of God for the saved.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 4:33 am
You should also note that what you refer to as the "King James Version" is itself an altered version. The version we call the KJV today was one of many later edits of the AKJV, edited in 1763:
Quote:By the mid-18th century the wide variation in the various modernized printed texts of the Authorized Version, combined with the notorious accumulation of misprints, had reached the proportion of a scandal, and the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge both sought to produce an updated standard text. First of the two was the Cambridge edition of 1760, the culmination of twenty-years work by Francis Sawyer Parris,[92] who died in May of that year. This 1760 edition was reprinted without change in 1762 [93] and in John Baskerville's fine folio edition of 1763.[94] This was effectively superseded by the 1769 Oxford edition, edited by Benjamin Blayney,[95] though with comparatively few changes from Parris's edition; but which became the Oxford standard text, and is reproduced almost unchanged in most current printings.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 5:35 am
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 6:20 am
(October 8, 2015 at 3:03 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 2:50 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Dude, seriously?
You're really asserting that "modern day retranslations" are a "hidden agenda", rather than a better understanding of how to translate ancient Greek and Hebrew into English (since we now have found more ancient documents than they had at the start of the 17th century, for the purpose of understanding the idioms and word usage of those writers), but that the translators of the Authorized King James Version did not?!
Yeah
They change the words and take out entire verses
(October 8, 2015 at 1:15 am)Stimbo Wrote: The whole damn book is sad. Not as much as the people who take it seriously though.
Foolishness for the unsaved. Power of God for the saved.
Have you ever considered the possibility that all of this is complete horseshit?
Go on, just for a second.
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RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 6:28 am
(October 8, 2015 at 2:41 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:
(October 8, 2015 at 1:46 am)Thena323 Wrote: No, you're playing games or you've misread the verses:
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Sorry, but that does NOT mean that the way into the Kingdom of God is simple, accessible and easy to enter.
I'll assume that you don't want to contend with the troublesome issue of there are few who find it.
beware of perversions of bibles in modern day retranslations. I believe there is a hidden agenda to change verses to refute biblical doctrines. Read the KJV bible.
Don't be deceived. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Believe on Him alone and you will be saved. This was taken from the NKJV Bible, but it doesn't matter. It says essentially the same thing in every version.
The only deceiving going on, is what you're doing to yourself. I suppose this is how you escape from a Biblical "truth" that you just can't interpret your way out of it. It says what it says.
Guess you should've picked a different verse(s) to discuss.
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