(October 16, 2015 at 10:56 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: ASSUMPTION :
" My friend that i've known for 2 years just cut all communication with me after finding out i'm an atheist "

REALITY :
" I got sick of him ignoring my logical arguments that I spent time on and saying "You're fucking stupid" never giving any reason to his logic. I didn't hate him, but I just didn't like how he argued. So many times, and i mean so many times I typed these long things to him explaining why he was wrong IN DETAIL so he could understand it, but he just insisted on not trying to understand anything else but what he said. "

" he was arguing that "Marijuana isn't bad for you, and scientists proved it". I said very specifically "Yes they proved there aren't any long term effects, but that doesn't mean it's not bad for you, obviously it worsens your memory and focus, along with motivation". Instead of conceding my obviously right point(this is what he does basically every time, trust me there have been a lot of times, like almost every day for two years we have argued about something), he can't stand to admit he's wrong "

" I wrote almost an essay response to him. I told him how incredibly intolerant, ignorant, and arrogant he was. I listed out everything that he was wrong, how he would cry and crawl up in a corner any time someone brought logic in to the equation, and how he would instantly start cussing me out any time I said he was wrong. "

..... yep that must be the reason he doesnt want to be friends with you just because your an atheist ( eyeroll )

Title may be a bit misleading as I typed it out of anger but it definitely wasn't wrong. A lot of stuff lead up to it. Him making fun of me, and belittling me because I was an atheist, and bringing my atheism into an argument that had nothing to do with it was simply the final straw. You aren't in my position, and don't know him like I do. He never conceded my points, or respected my views when I was opposed to his, so I knew that him going that low and picking on my atheism something I told him because I trusted him - I knew that it wouldn't just end there. From the outside you might not think it such a big deal, but me trusting him enough to tell him something like that(considering I go to a christian school), that meant something to me. I didn't know he would cut ties with me but that's what enticed me to tell him off.

I'll admit, the title is a bit misleading, sorry for that, understand that this was made by me furiously typing and not thinking. The title reflects how elevated the situation was in my mind when I wrote it, i'm sure you can understand when you are mad you tend to exaggerate your situation. I told him before hand how much i cared about telling him about my atheism, and made it clear it was a big deal, it's not like he didn't know. He purposely went as low as possible. It may have not been the only reason, but it was the deciding factor. In my response as well even, I didn't say anything derogatory about him believing in god. I'm proud I didn't go as low as him. I basically just told him everything he can't handle hearing, as a result he deleted me. After waking up with a clearer mind this morning, I am not adding him back ever again.

I hate when they string me along like that. Two years you can never get back again.

Protip: if someone doesn't respect your views and constantly belittles you, they're likely not trustworthy and they sure as shit aren't your friend. Don't tell them your secrets, or anything that makes you feel vulnerable.

(October 17, 2015 at 12:09 am)heatiosrs Wrote:

(October 16, 2015 at 10:56 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: ASSUMPTION :
" My friend that i've known for 2 years just cut all communication with me after finding out i'm an atheist "

REALITY :
" I got sick of him ignoring my logical arguments that I spent time on and saying "You're fucking stupid" never giving any reason to his logic. I didn't hate him, but I just didn't like how he argued. So many times, and i mean so many times I typed these long things to him explaining why he was wrong IN DETAIL so he could understand it, but he just insisted on not trying to understand anything else but what he said. "

" he was arguing that "Marijuana isn't bad for you, and scientists proved it". I said very specifically "Yes they proved there aren't any long term effects, but that doesn't mean it's not bad for you, obviously it worsens your memory and focus, along with motivation". Instead of conceding my obviously right point(this is what he does basically every time, trust me there have been a lot of times, like almost every day for two years we have argued about something), he can't stand to admit he's wrong "

" I wrote almost an essay response to him. I told him how incredibly intolerant, ignorant, and arrogant he was. I listed out everything that he was wrong, how he would cry and crawl up in a corner any time someone brought logic in to the equation, and how he would instantly start cussing me out any time I said he was wrong. "

..... yep that must be the reason he doesnt want to be friends with you just because your an atheist ( eyeroll )

Title may be a bit misleading as I typed it out of anger but it definitely wasn't wrong. A lot of stuff lead up to it. Him making fun of me, and belittling me because I was an atheist, and bringing my atheism into an argument that had nothing to do with it was simply the final straw. You aren't in my position, and don't know him like I do. He never conceded my points, or respected my views when I was opposed to his, so I knew that him going that low and picking on my atheism something I told him because I trusted him - I knew that it wouldn't just end there. From the outside you might not think it such a big deal, but me trusting him enough to tell him something like that(considering I go to a christian school), that meant something to me. I didn't know he would cut ties with me but that's what enticed me to tell him off.

I'll admit, the title is a bit misleading, sorry for that, understand that this was made by me furiously typing and not thinking. The title reflects how elevated the situation was in my mind when I wrote it, i'm sure you can understand when you are mad you tend to exaggerate your situation. I told him before hand how much i cared about telling him about my atheism, and made it clear it was a big deal, it's not like he didn't know. He purposely went as low as possible. It may have not been the only reason, but it was the deciding factor. In my response as well even, I didn't say anything derogatory about him believing in god. I'm proud I didn't go as low as him. I basically just told him everything he can't handle hearing, as a result he deleted me. After waking up with a clearer mind this morning, I am not adding him back ever again.

" He never conceded my points, or respected my views when I was opposed to his, so I knew that him going that low and picking on my atheism something I told him because I trusted him "
...... and how does not conceding to your philosophy equal not respecting you? he just disagrees with you whats wrong with that ? do you respect him and his views ? i dont see any indication of that whatsoever

maybe you can find new friends that enjoy being told how wrong they are  how absolutely right you are ,what they are wrong about in detail and are wanting you to agressively convert them to your way of thinking 

im sure there are a bunch of people who want to sign up for such a "friendship"

(October 16, 2015 at 12:54 am)heatiosrs Wrote: This time however, he did something I didn't expect. After cursing at me and ignoring my point, he said "I bet you're one of those people who argues against God on atheist websites rofl". This set me the fuck off. You have to realize that I told him that after being nervous, knowing he was a christian, but also one of my best friends. I might be acting like he was the devil incarnate, but we defnitely had good times. This remark tipped me over the limit. I wrote almost an essay response to him. I told him how incredibly intolerant, ignorant, and arrogant he was. I listed out everything that he was wrong, how he would cry and crawl up in a corner any time someone brought logic in to the equation, and how he would instantly start cussing me out any time I said he was wrong. He removed me from everything, steam, skype, phone, everything. Blocked me on everything he could, even blocked my number.

I am so fed up with religion. Maybe religion is not inherently what caused this, but it's definitely the foundation for the way he thinks.
DO YOU SEE WHY RELIGION HAS A NEGATIVE OUTCOME? BECAUSE PEOPLE START REFUSING TO ACCEPT LOGIC, AND CONVINCE THEMSELVES THEY ARE RIGHT. IT'S THE REASON THAT ONE OUT OF MY ONLY TWO FRIENDS ONLINE REMOVED ME FROM HIS LIFE. I WOULDN'T SAY SOMETHING THIS PERSONAL BUT WHO CARES AT THIS POINT. I HAVE LITERALLY NO CLOSE FRIENDS IRL. HE IS ONE OF THE ONLY CLOSE FRIENDS I HAD. STILL THINK RELIGION ISN'T HARMFUL? TELL THAT TO HIM AND ALL THE PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO RUN FROM LOGIC BECAUSE OF IT.

Christianity is not a negative religion.  What your friend did was wrong. If he was a true Christian, he would not have acted like that.  Christians are suppose to have love for all people including the ones who persecute them.  Jesus even ate with the sinners, atheists, etc in those days.  I am not out of logic because of it.  I am sorry your friend hurt you, but don't blame it on his faith.  This is his heart problem. If he was any friend at all, he would have kept trying to get you to go to church with him and pray for you whether you wanted him to or not.  I grew up only having one close friend.  She was somewhere in the middle of an atheist and a Christian.  Nothing ever separated our friendship except for her death. If you want to know how he should act, read one of the four Gospels in the New Testament.  He should have showed you the character of Jesus which is nothing but pure love.  As far as your friend thinks, just tell him if possible that Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself.  This is the same love he should have showed you and this is the kindness he should have showed you.

(October 17, 2015 at 8:23 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 12:09 am)heatiosrs Wrote: Title may be a bit misleading as I typed it out of anger but it definitely wasn't wrong. A lot of stuff lead up to it. Him making fun of me, and belittling me because I was an atheist, and bringing my atheism into an argument that had nothing to do with it was simply the final straw. You aren't in my position, and don't know him like I do. He never conceded my points, or respected my views when I was opposed to his, so I knew that him going that low and picking on my atheism something I told him because I trusted him - I knew that it wouldn't just end there. From the outside you might not think it such a big deal, but me trusting him enough to tell him something like that(considering I go to a christian school), that meant something to me. I didn't know he would cut ties with me but that's what enticed me to tell him off.

I'll admit, the title is a bit misleading, sorry for that, understand that this was made by me furiously typing and not thinking. The title reflects how elevated the situation was in my mind when I wrote it, i'm sure you can understand when you are mad you tend to exaggerate your situation. I told him before hand how much i cared about telling him about my atheism, and made it clear it was a big deal, it's not like he didn't know. He purposely went as low as possible. It may have not been the only reason, but it was the deciding factor. In my response as well even, I didn't say anything derogatory about him believing in god. I'm proud I didn't go as low as him. I basically just told him everything he can't handle hearing, as a result he deleted me. After waking up with a clearer mind this morning, I am not adding him back ever again.

" He never conceded my points, or respected my views when I was opposed to his, so I knew that him going that low and picking on my atheism something I told him because I trusted him "
...... and how does not conceding to your philosophy equal not respecting you? he just disagrees with you whats wrong with that ? do you respect him and his views ? i dont see any indication of that whatsoever

maybe you can find new friends that enjoy being told how wrong they are  how absolutely right you are ,what they are wrong about in detail and are wanting you to agressively convert them to your way of thinking 

im sure there are a bunch of people who want to sign up for such a "friendship"

You clearly don't know the situation.

(October 17, 2015 at 4:36 pm)heatiosrs Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 8:23 am)jenny1972 Wrote: " He never conceded my points, or respected my views when I was opposed to his, so I knew that him going that low and picking on my atheism something I told him because I trusted him "
...... and how does not conceding to your philosophy equal not respecting you? he just disagrees with you whats wrong with that ? do you respect him and his views ? i dont see any indication of that whatsoever

maybe you can find new friends that enjoy being told how wrong they are  how absolutely right you are ,what they are wrong about in detail and are wanting you to agressively convert them to your way of thinking 

im sure there are a bunch of people who want to sign up for such a "friendship"

You clearly don't know the situation.

your the one who said you were writing him long essay length letters explaining in detail how he was wrong , and how upset you get because he doesnt agree with you and doesnt concede to your opinions which are right . admit it you want him to become an atheist and lack tolerance for his beliefs .

Are you okay Jenny? Your sis is pretty cool and chilled out, it would be cool it you chilled too. I'm open to the idea of God (as open as I am to the FSM, but still). Many atheists are, some aren't. Can we all relax now? I don't want you to be upset Jenny. If you're anything like your sister you must be pretty cool really.

(October 17, 2015 at 4:56 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 4:36 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: You clearly don't know the situation.

your the one who said you were writing him long essay length letters explaining in detail how he was wrong , and how upset you get because he doesnt agree with you and doesnt concede to your opinions which are right . admit it you want him to become an atheist and lack tolerance for his beliefs .

That was the first time I ever did that, every other time when I didn't agree with him he would curse me out, go offline on all communications, anytime someone told him he was wrong or disagreed with him he would throw a temper tantrum. I always gave him the benefit of the doubt, I would agree with him just so he would shut up and stop taking our arguments so seriously. He couldn't handle being wrong. I didn't care if I was wrong. The difference between the scenario you're describing and mine is that I would have liked to have been wrong, but he would never give me any reason(and i mean any reason not just whats up to my standards) for what he believed, yet he would valiantly argue about it until I either agreed or he got so mad that I wouldn't agree and would just quit.
If i expected my friends to agree with me all the time, and needed that for some reason, the friendship would have ended there, because he never agreed with me on anything, I would love if he could prove me wrong, but he never put any time in to his arguments he just cursed and said he was right because he was right.

I want him to become atheist because I lack tolerance for his beliefs? Alright you're not worth responding to anymore because you're either trolling or just brain-dead stupid. I never brought my religion in to the conversation for two years, and when I did i said specifically "Im telling you this because I dont think its something that should affect our relationship negatively in any way, or is imporant, im telling you this because I trust you and want you to understand my world view because of my stance on the subject". Really?

Even in my long and very angry response to him I didn't attack his religion, or mention it, which I very easily could of. Don't talk to me again. It makes me angry that you would even say my atheism made me not accept his religion, and somehow i'm the one to blame. Like shut the fuck up honestly you have no idea what you are talking about. Unbelievable. Frankly you should be the poster child for all religious misconceptions. Turning a situation that is clearly about something else into an atheist being intolerant for someone's religion. Get the fuck off this forum, because you just exposed your preconceived notions about atheists, so why are you here if all you think is that atheists are intolerant and non accepting of religious beliefs. You're going to tell me how defensive I just got and how that's probably how I was with my friend or something, and this is proof I have to be right. Go ahead, you fail to realize that you are not my friend, and I would never argue with such hostility toward my friend. Even when making ridiculous claims.

(October 17, 2015 at 5:49 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: I always gave him the benefit of the doubt, I would agree with him just so he would shut up and stop taking our arguments so seriously. He couldn't handle being wrong. I didn't care if I was wrong.

When you say you gave him the "benefit of the doubt" that's pertaining to your opinion. In relations to penal offences it's actually considered a human right.

And you clearly do care if you're wrong because you flared up like a christmas tree when I tried to explain to you the flaws in "logic arguments".

(October 17, 2015 at 5:49 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: I want him to become atheist because I lack tolerance for his beliefs? Alright you're not worth responding to anymore because you're either trolling or just brain-dead stupid. I never brought my religion in to the conversation for two years, and when I did i said specifically "Im telling you this because I dont think its something that should affect our relationship negatively in any way, or is imporant, im telling you this because I trust you and want you to understand my world view because of my stance on the subject". Really?

I have a feeling what Jenny meant was that you wanted him to assimilate in some way. But the fact is that Christians and Atheists agree on 99% or more of things - we drive on the same side of the street, eat the same foods, work the same hours, etc.

You consider yourself an intellectual and some people your age may find that intimidating. Heck the last girl I dated was intimidated by my intellect - I didn't want her to be I liked her a lot, but she was and it was a clear impassable barrier, sadly.

(October 17, 2015 at 5:49 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: Even in my long and very angry response to him I didn't attack his religion, or mention it, which I very easily could of. Don't talk to me again. It makes me angry that you would even say my atheism made me not accept his religion, and somehow i'm the one to blame. Like shut the fuck up honestly you have no idea what you are talking about. Unbelievable. Frankly you should be the poster child for all religious misconceptions. Turning a situation that is clearly about something else into an atheist being intolerant for someone's religion. Get the fuck off this forum, because you just exposed your preconceived notions about atheists, so why are you here if all you think is that atheists are intolerant and non accepting of religious beliefs. You're going to tell me how defensive I just got and how that's probably how I was with my friend or something, and this is proof I have to be right. Go ahead, you fail to realize that you are not my friend, and I would never argue with such hostility toward my friend. Even when making ridiculous claims.

Why get so angry over a two sentence reply from Jenny?

You are on our forums you know (although I'll grant you that goes for her as well). If you stick around they'll become your forums as well and you'll be one of "us" (well you'll belong to the AF community anyway).


I don't think you were intolerant of your friend's religion, FWIW, but I do feel that you may have been inconsiderate in other areas. But for the record, just to make this clear to you, I'm not suggesting that's why your friendship has been lost. As per my previous reply sometimes you lose friendships through no fault of your own.