(October 24, 2015 at 10:23 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 24, 2015 at 10:05 am)Little Rik Wrote: How the hell can the matter produce elements that are superior in their evolutionary level as air
and water?

Quote:There is no such thing as "elements superior in their evolutionary level" and neither air nor water are chemical elements. Evolution has nothing to do with elements - it's a biological process. Children learn this - unless they're particularly stupid, or their parents don't give a sh*t about them. Possibly - both.

You are headstrong than i thought.  
For elements i refer to the original meaning not the modern chemical elements.  


The ancient Greek belief in five basic elements, these being earth (γῆ ge), water (ὕδωρ hudor), air (ἀήρ aer), fire (πῦρ pur) and aether (αἰθήρ aither), dates from pre-Socratic times and persisted throughout the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance, deeply influencing European thought and culture. These five elements are sometimes associated with the five platonic solids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element

Quote:I'm sorry for using all those big words - sometimes I forget how uneducated and brainwashed you hindus are...

Oh, please don't be sorry.
It is quite understandable for an headstrong to use big words and to bray.    

(October 26, 2015 at 9:31 am)Little Rik Wrote: [...]For elements i refer to the original meaning not the modern chemical elements. [...]

Oh, so now you're using some ancient greek dogmas, to back up your hindu ones?

Have you got any proof that the "classical elements" are anything other than useless pre-scientific bullsh*t? No? Oh, that's such a shame... Better luck with your next load of crap.

Hey, puss-for-brains - the world has moved on a few thousand years. How about you catch up? Let us know when you're somewhere around 20th century and we'll talk.

(October 24, 2015 at 12:25 pm)robvalue Wrote:

(October 23, 2015 at 5:12 pm)robvalue Wrote: If atheism is a belief, please tell me what that belief is.

I don't believe this has yet been answered.

Yes it has been answered already but you didn't pay attention.  
Any idea is something coming from a together of other thoughts.
It is not possible out of the blue to say ........ i am atheist .....without first
have thought about different issues like the possibility that the universe doesn't
need a creator or the fact that if God would exist he-she wouldn't let the creation go
to the dogs and so many other issues.
Once you reach the mental stage that there can not be a God then you create a believe
based on a myriad of different understanding of how the system works.  

To say that you don't believe because there is no evidence is absurd.
It would be a thought out of the blue with no foundation and therefore doesn't make any sense.  

(October 26, 2015 at 9:42 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Hey, puss-for-brains - the world has moved on a few thousand years. How about you catch up? Let us know when you're somewhere around 20th century and we'll talk.    

At this point I'd settle for the mid 19th century.

(October 26, 2015 at 9:42 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 26, 2015 at 9:31 am)Little Rik Wrote: [...]For elements i refer to the original meaning not the modern chemical elements. [...]

Oh, so now you're using some ancient greek dogmas, to back up your hindu ones?
Have you got any proof that the "classical elements" are anything other than useless pre-scientific bullsh*t? No? Oh, that's such a shame... Better luck with your next load of crap.  
Hey, puss-for-brains - the world has moved on a few thousand years. How about you catch up? Let us know when you're somewhere around 20th century and we'll talk.

Nutter, ever you ever heard about foundations?  
Like the foundation to build a house or the foundation in a more abstract term like to produce something new by relying on the old?
Suppose someone build a new engine.
He can't just out of the blue make a new engine unless he takes from the old and adding more technology.
Greek, Latin and Sanskrit are the foundations which the new come from so if you know the old it is so much easier to understand the new but an ignorant like you still think that the new can be created without foundations.  

(October 26, 2015 at 10:01 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(October 24, 2015 at 12:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: I don't believe this has yet been answered.

Yes it has been answered already but you didn't pay attention.  
Any idea is something coming from a together of other thoughts.
It is not possible out of the blue to say ........ i am atheist .....without first
have thought about different issues like the possibility that the universe doesn't
need a creator

We don't know, or claim to know, that the universe does not need a creator. It might. It might not.
But so far, we see no indication that there is a creator.

(October 26, 2015 at 10:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: or the fact that if God would exist he-she wouldn't let the creation go
to the dogs and so many other issues.

That's an emotional response. What we think about a god has nothing to do with whether or not that god exists.
Thinking god is evil and mean doesn't make him go away if he's real.
Thinking god is love and kindness doesn't make him real if he doesn't already exist.

(October 26, 2015 at 10:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: To say that you don't believe because there is no evidence is absurd.

Wrong! The only reason to believe in something is because there's some kind of evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence of it there's no reason to believe it exists, until such time that evidence comes forward to change that.

(October 26, 2015 at 10:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: Nutter, ever you ever heard about foundations?
Like the foundation to build a house or the foundation in a more abstract term like to produce something new by relying on the old?[...]

Here's the problem with your dogma - you can't build a  house on a foundation made of pure sh*t.   

You didn't think about that, did you?

(October 24, 2015 at 11:33 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 24, 2015 at 7:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: What a disappointment yogini!  
I would have thought that you are a bit smarter than that.    
The space is a physical body made of matter, water, light, air and space.
You can perceive with your physical senses these factors but you can not do the same
thing with something that you can not perceive with your physical senses such as the consciousness.    
Even a demented idiot can understand this simple point.  

How do you know?  Have you looked? What's your evidence?  You've just repeated your prior assertion without adding anything to it.

I certainly have the evidence yog.  
I never been able to touch, see or smell the mind or the consciousness but i am able to use my senses to
perceive the matter, water, light, air and space.  

(October 26, 2015 at 10:33 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 26, 2015 at 10:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: Nutter, ever you ever heard about foundations?
Like the foundation to build a house or the foundation in a more abstract term like to produce something new by relying on the old?[...]

Here's the problem with your dogma - you can't build a  house on a foundation made of pure sh*t.   

You didn't think about that, did you?

You fail once again Nutter.
You can not compete not just with me but with anybody else.
You are also an absolute embarrassment to your fellow atheist.  

(October 26, 2015 at 10:01 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(October 24, 2015 at 12:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: I don't believe this has yet been answered.

Yes it has been answered already but you didn't pay attention.  
Any idea is something coming from a together of other thoughts.
It is not possible out of the blue to say ........ i am atheist .....without first
have thought about different issues like the possibility that the universe doesn't
need a creator or the fact that if God would exist he-she wouldn't let the creation go
to the dogs and so many other issues.
Once you reach the mental stage that there can not be a God then you create a believe
based on a myriad of different understanding of how the system works.  

To say that you don't believe because there is no evidence is absurd.
It would be a thought out of the blue with no foundation and therefore doesn't make any sense.  

Atheism is not those thoughts. You're tagging on other thoughts that you logically think lead to atheism. People can get to atheism through any number of reasons, and whatever those reasons are, they are not atheism either. This is the problem I think, you're treating what you think atheists must also think as atheism. It is not. It is simply the lack of a god belief.