Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin.
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Obama, the Republican 5th Column?
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 (December 13, 2010 at 2:04 pm)Mishka Wrote: Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin. What polls have you been reading? The polls I saw indicated the majority either liked the bill or said it didn't go far enough. The majority also liked the Public Option. Really, this "reform" bill is woefully inadequate. As long as for profit insurance companies run the show, we've got the foxes running the chicken coup. What is needed is Medicare for All.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist  (December 13, 2010 at 2:04 pm)Mishka Wrote: Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin. Except in these polls and every other poll I've ever seen: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02451.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20...64375.html http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=112818960 http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009...are-option http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/1...3015.shtml http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-i...lic-option http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...bill-.html http://healthpolicyandreform.nejm.org/?p=1790 http://www.boston.com/news/politics/poli...rt_gr.html http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stat...ic-option/ The only people campaigning or lobbying for HC repeal are conservatives and even they know it'll fail. The public, on the other hand... http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...able_N.htm http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/slim-m...ssage.aspx http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/147455.php http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health...1poll.html Support for HC reform is either good or divided, but you know what the public isn't doing? Calling for healthcare reform's repeal as a law. If anything, the public appears disappointed with the HC bill because it didn't go far enough. (Such as through a public option or single payer.) So... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc
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December 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm by Mishka.)
(December 13, 2010 at 2:16 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(December 13, 2010 at 2:04 pm)Mishka Wrote: Might have been the pesky little fact that the public didn't want a public option. Now 60% of the public want the entire bill repealed. A Federal District Court in Va. just found the mandated purchase of health care to be illegal. More nails in the coffin. You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...h_care_law RE: Obama, the Republican 5th Column?
December 13, 2010 at 3:35 pm
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2010 at 3:39 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(December 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm)Mishka Wrote: You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted. Wow. You managed to actually produce one poll... and from Rasmussen, no less. You see, the reason I took just about every poll I could find in a google search is because I didn't want to get called on for using one poll because those are notorious for being able to support a one-sided claim. Since I copy-pasted links to ten seporate polls, I can mark an overall trend that's much harder to argue against. You found one recent poll. Some of mine are as recent as a mere few months ago, during the fevered pitch of the last congressional election, in which the congresspeople have yet to take office. Unless you have something more substantive, like maybe four more polls concluding the same trend from seporate sources, I might find the claim to have credibility. At best, you have proven that a slim majority of Americans don't approve of the healthcare law... for now. Not that it really changes anything.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan (December 13, 2010 at 3:35 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: At best, you have proven that a slim majority of Americans don't approve of the healthcare law... If that's the question, count me among their number. I don't approve of the band-aid that was slapped on the gushing wound that is our nation's broken health care system, whereupon our pseudo-liberal president declared it was "fixed" and then congratulated himself on the "historic accomplishment". The man must be double-jointed, the way he pats himself on the back so much. Of course, my number would be added to a poll like this for conservatives to parade around. You have to look at the details of a poll. Of those "dissatisfied", you have to ask why. Too much or too little?
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist (December 13, 2010 at 3:35 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:(December 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm)Mishka Wrote: You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted. At best a poll is only as good at the time it was taken. Hence the obsolescence of your polls. Until you can show that Rasmussen produces incorrect or out of the mainstream results, your attempt to quantify 60% of Americans as a thin majority is laughable.  What do you call the 34% that still are for it? A close to majority number? Really? You probably think that losing 63 seats in the house was a flesh wound to the Dem party too?  (December 13, 2010 at 5:12 pm)Mishka Wrote:(December 13, 2010 at 3:35 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:(December 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm)Mishka Wrote: You need to keep better informed. This poll is from today, not the old polls DOA posted. I think the health care bill is bad legislation because I'm for the public option. Your survey doesn't indicate WHY people don't like the bill. Further, more and more poll results are being called into question because you have the cell phone vs. land line. Younger adults are less likely to have a land line, so the skew is towards older Americans in the polling data. Unless you can demonstrate the demographic polled and WHY people are opposed you have nothing. The majority of Americans favored a public option and as a result don't like the health care bill.
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December 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2010 at 6:03 pm by Jaysyn.)
Some interesting info about Rasmussen.
Quote:But the qualitative questions, in terms of their phrasing and so forth, are frequently skewed to give answers friendly toward GOP or conservative viewpoints. All of which is to say that his numbers are valuable. But they need to be read with that bias in mind. Take them with a few very large grains of salt.
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(December 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: Some interesting info about Rasmussen. You can compare and contrast them with their predictions of the results of the last election. Rasmussen came damn close. |
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