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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 30, 2015 at 6:47 pm
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(October 30, 2015 at 9:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 2:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote: You presumed I presume that all science is physical and not spiritual. I never said that.
But science deals with testable explanations and predictions.
The science of spirituality is fully testable.
The only thing that differ from physical science is that the testability is individual.
What you "earn" belong to you and stay with you.
The material things on the other hand can be transferred to other so they are visible.
I am sure that in the near future new technologies will be able to scrutinize individual consciousness
and see the difference between the one who practice spirituality and the one who doesn't.
Quote:There are many things that were unobservable that are now observable.
Sure, give time and many more things will be available for scrutiny.
In the meantime those who work hard for real progress will advance while those who wait and wait for things to happen will get nowhere. 
Quote:If you or anyone else can show predictions and tests they have done with spirits they can scientifically express these results. All you have to do is simply show the tests and experiments you have done with spirits then use your findings to make reliable predictions about the none physical world
In the past saints use to be represented in paintings with an aureole or aura above the head.
In those times there was no technology to understand whether someone was a saint or not.
The presence of someone spiritually elevated can be perceived without any technology.
A tamasik person (bad people) would absolutely hate to be in the presence of someone elevated.
The bad vibration of a tamasik person would suffer terribly in contact with positive vibration.
There is no need to tell the bad person that an elevated person is close to him-her or the other way around.
The two different vibration act as signal, they perceive the opposite vibrations so they tend to take the distance from each other.
The bad person would keep well away from places where people do meditation and people engaged in spirituality would never go in a pub or similar tamasik places.
Quote:I have no idea how a person would begin to study things which aren't physically there, and to make predictions about spirits, I don't really think you have either, so I remain an atheist until you or someone else can prove to me they have made testable reliable scientific
Considering your attitude i am afraid Pablo that you will wait for ever.
Consciousness is an abstract entity.
There is nothing physical.
You don't make predictions, there is no need for.
It is all about an idea.
When you think that after fighting and struggling all the time you are getting nowhere a simple idea come in your mind.
And that idea make you think that there got to be something better than this.
From here on everything is revealed and the way to proceed is unfolded.
Quote:You were the one who said science can't observe everything, now you contradict that by saying science can observe the spiritual.
That's the contradiction I'm pointing out.
Wrong again Pablo for no paying attention to what i did write.
I said physical science is not able to solve all the problem especially the biggest and main problem that
concern human being such as peace of mind.
Quote:Its my opinion that if spirits and non physical things can be observed and tested they can become subject to scientific experimentation.
As i already said in the beginning it is quite possible that sooner or later new technologies will be able to
perceive the consciousness but that will not be an easy task as consciousness is an abstract entity. 
How can their be vibrations considering there is nothing physical to vibrate?
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 30, 2015 at 9:24 pm
I get to decide everything because I'm the only one who really exists.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 7:31 am
(October 30, 2015 at 6:47 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 9:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: The science of spirituality is fully testable.
The only thing that differ from physical science is that the testability is individual.
What you "earn" belong to you and stay with you.
The material things on the other hand can be transferred to other so they are visible.
I am sure that in the near future new technologies will be able to scrutinize individual consciousness
and see the difference between the one who practice spirituality and the one who doesn't.
Sure, give time and many more things will be available for scrutiny.
In the meantime those who work hard for real progress will advance while those who wait and wait for things to happen will get nowhere.
In the past saints use to be represented in paintings with an aureole or aura above the head.
In those times there was no technology to understand whether someone was a saint or not.
The presence of someone spiritually elevated can be perceived without any technology.
A tamasik person (bad people) would absolutely hate to be in the presence of someone elevated.
The bad vibration of a tamasik person would suffer terribly in contact with positive vibration.
There is no need to tell the bad person that an elevated person is close to him-her or the other way around.
The two different vibration act as signal, they perceive the opposite vibrations so they tend to take the distance from each other.
The bad person would keep well away from places where people do meditation and people engaged in spirituality would never go in a pub or similar tamasik places.
Considering your attitude i am afraid Pablo that you will wait for ever.
Consciousness is an abstract entity.
There is nothing physical.
You don't make predictions, there is no need for.
It is all about an idea.
When you think that after fighting and struggling all the time you are getting nowhere a simple idea come in your mind.
And that idea make you think that there got to be something better than this.
From here on everything is revealed and the way to proceed is unfolded.
Wrong again Pablo for no paying attention to what i did write.
I said physical science is not able to solve all the problem especially the biggest and main problem that
concern human being such as peace of mind.
As i already said in the beginning it is quite possible that sooner or later new technologies will be able to
perceive the consciousness but that will not be an easy task as consciousness is an abstract entity.
How can their be vibrations considering there is nothing physical to vibrate?
You mean.......HOW CAN THERE......?
Anyway whatever you say my answer is......HOW CAN THERE BE A MIND IN YOUR HEAD?
I can not see a mind Pablo.
Have you got a mind?
If you got a mind i should be able to see it, to touch it, smell it and so on, don't I?
I hope you understand the stupidity of your latest comment.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 7:51 am
(October 30, 2015 at 9:24 pm)robvalue Wrote: I get to decide everything because I'm the only one who really exists.
That wouldn't be very interesting Rob.
What make something interesting is the unknown.
Beside even a father can not interfere too much once his kids grow up.
You got to let them choose their way in the good or the bad.
Your responsibility will have to end sooner or later.
Is not me that one Rob. 
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 7:55 am
(October 30, 2015 at 11:34 am)Chuck Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 8:37 am)Little Rik Wrote: May i ask you what field of study you think God should be studied?
Do you mean with physical science or something else? 
God should be studied in the field of medical science, under the cognitive disfunction specialty, and under the field of social and behavioral sciences, under the mass hysteria specialty.
So you got solid evidence that if God exist he must be an idiot?
Is this what you mean? 
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 8:06 am
(October 30, 2015 at 10:34 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 9:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: Consciousness is an abstract entity.
There is nothing physical.
Still waiting on evidence of this. That you haven't seen or touched a person's consciousness is not evidence.
Yes it is yog.
You can keep on melting in your ignorance on the subject but that will not change the fact that consciousness is an abstract entity. 
The evidence is in the fact that your physical senses can not grasp it. 
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 8:06 am
(October 31, 2015 at 7:55 am)Little Rik Wrote:
So you got solid evidence that if God exist he must be an idiot?
Is this what you mean?
No. What he means is that people who believe in god are f***ed in the head and therefore should be studied by psychiatrists and such.
And yes, we do have "solid evidence" of that fact - every one of your posts so far.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 8:21 am
(October 31, 2015 at 8:06 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 31, 2015 at 7:55 am)Little Rik Wrote:
So you got solid evidence that if God exist he must be an idiot?
Is this what you mean?
No. What he means is that people who believe in god are f***ed in the head and therefore should be studied by psychiatrists and such.
And yes, we do have "solid evidence" of that fact - every one of your posts so far.
Well, in that case you must have solid evidence that God does not exist.
Do you?
Ok. let us see this evidence so i will join you in saying that the believers are all f...ed in the head. 
Oh, by the way Nutter don't forget your daily mantra.........YOU ARE AN HINDU TERRORIST.......YOU ARE AN HINDU TERRORIST.........YOU ARE AN HINDU TERRORIST......
Don't you know that the mantra must be practice every day regulary?
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 8:42 am
(October 31, 2015 at 8:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: Well, in that case you must have solid evidence that God does not exist.[...]
No. <sigh> That has nothing to do with it. Whether or not god, or gods exist - people like you are delusional. And - as I also already stated - we have plenty of evidence for that in this thread alone.
Let me put it in simpler terms for you: with or without god - you are just a wacko cultist, with no actual knowledge of anything...
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 31, 2015 at 8:46 am
(October 31, 2015 at 8:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: Well, in that case you must have solid evidence that God does not exist.
Do you?
Then I expect that you must have solid evidence that The Flying Spagetti Monster does not exist
Do you?
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