(November 10, 2015 at 7:36 am)Little Rik Wrote:

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A lack of belief has been build around the evidence that this physical reality can not give any evidence whether God exist or not.
The problem with this result is that God is (i believe) but let us say could only be understood or perceived
well away from the physical reality and in a different reality like spirituality.
By not exploring all avenues but insisting only on the supposed incorrect evidence or physical evidence it is obvious that it would be impossible to get to God that is why this lack of investigation lead to the incorrect conclusion and this non believing turn in the belief that God is not existing.

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(November 10, 2015 at 7:36 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 3:28 am)robvalue Wrote: It hasn't been demonstrated that atheism is a belief, even. I'm still waiting to hear how a lack of belief is a belief. All I get is commentary on what any particular person thinks an atheist must also believe to come to a status of non-belief. Which is balls. Those other reasons are not atheism, nor are those reasons always true just because someone can't imagine reaching the mindset of atheism any other way.

A lack of belief has been build around the evidence that this physical reality can not give any evidence whether God exist or not.
The problem with this result is that God is (i believe) but let us say could only be understood or perceived
well away from the physical reality and in a different reality like spirituality.
By not exploring all avenues but insisting only on the supposed incorrect evidence or physical evidence it is obvious that it would be impossible to get to God that is why this lack of investigation lead to the incorrect conclusion and this non believing turn in the belief that God is not existing.  

(November 10, 2015 at 7:41 am)robvalue Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 7:36 am)Little Rik Wrote: A lack of belief has been build around the evidence that this physical reality can not give any evidence whether God exist or not.

No, completely wrong. It's not up to you to decide what atheism is built on. Each atheist may have any number of reasons. You've just done exactly what I said you would do, adding your own commentary. And you still didn't even mention a belief anywhere.

And wrong, no one is saying the physical reality cannot give evidence, just that it has not. And that's only if you come to atheism through an evidenced based analysis. You don't get to tell everyone why they have reached their conclusions.

Quote:The problem with this result is that God is (i believe) but let us say could only be understood or perceived
well away from the physical reality and in a different reality like spirituality.
By not exploring all avenues but insisting only on the supposed incorrect evidence or physical evidence it is obvious that it would be impossible to get to God that is why this lack of investigation lead to the incorrect conclusion and this non believing turn in the belief that God is not existing.  

This is completely irrelevant to how a lack of a belief is a belief. This is more of your own preconceptions about what atheists are like.
Seriously, can you please stop thinking you can tell everyone else how they reached their conclusions? Would you like us to tell you how you reached your conclusions? Huh?

(November 10, 2015 at 8:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: You know Rob that old saying.........IF YOU KEEP SILENT YOU AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.....
From this your comment that say...........Each atheist may have any number of reasons.......turn into bulls.
If atheists do not challenge unfounded ideas from other atheists like ........THE CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF THE BRAIN.......they agree with those ideas or are
in error by not challenging that idea.
In both cases they show that true face of atheism which is a farce.  

(November 10, 2015 at 8:01 am)Red_Wind Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 7:36 am)Little Rik Wrote: A lack of belief has been build around the evidence that this physical reality can not give any evidence whether God exist or not.
The problem with this result is that God is (i believe) but let us say could only be understood or perceived
well away from the physical reality and in a different reality like spirituality.
By not exploring all avenues but insisting only on the supposed incorrect evidence or physical evidence it is obvious that it would be impossible to get to God that is why this lack of investigation lead to the incorrect conclusion and this non believing turn in the belief that God is not existing.  

The same can be applied to the Flying spaghetti monster and pink unicorns.
You might want to look up "evidence of absence" and "absence of evidence", god falls under absence of evidence since since we can not proof his existence.
The world can work without the existence of a god, so why is he necessary?

(November 10, 2015 at 9:04 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 8:01 am)Red_Wind Wrote: The same can be applied to the Flying spaghetti monster and pink unicorns.
You might want to look up "evidence of absence" and "absence of evidence", god falls under absence of evidence since since we can not proof his existence.
The world can work without the existence of a god, so why is he necessary?

Holy Santa.
First you say............god falls under absence of evidence since since we can not proof his existence..............and then you state that.........The world can work without the existence of a god........

Oh, my God you really smash one more contradictory statement especially in the face of your mate Rob that just few minutes ago was preaching the lack of evidence into believing that God exist.
You just state something so you must have the evidence that the ....world can work without the existence of a god.

Oh, my God i am all shaken.  
If this is not a belief what is it?  

(November 10, 2015 at 9:04 am)robvalue Wrote: He either doesn't read what people write or has some serious mental problem which makes him forget or disregard all our points.

I think I've been pretty generous with the chances to show how a lack of belief is a belief. Let's see if he makes use of this last one before I declare victory and run around naked through the streets carrying a welding torch.