(November 10, 2015 at 4:16 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I wouldn't mind killing Baby Constantine, though.  That fucker is the one who did the damage.

If you want to play that game, Theodosius I is your mark. Actually, he did most of the damage.

If you really want to cut the tree at the root, kill Paul/Saul.

Heh-heh... just found this in the New Yorker.

(November 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 4:16 pm)abaris Wrote: If you want to play that game, Theodosius I is your mark. Actually, he did most of the damage.

If you really want to cut the tree at the root, kill Paul/Saul.

Hard to kill a myth.

(November 10, 2015 at 4:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: If you really want to cut the tree at the root, kill Paul/Saul.

Hard to kill a myth.

I disagree that Paul didn't exist, but that's neither here nor there. Assuming he did exist, I'd find the fucker. Following a slime trail in the desert can't be that hard.

OK, let's dump the charade.

We all know what was wrong with old Adolph, and he doesn't need to be killed for it. There is an easy fix:

http://www.neuticles.com/

(November 10, 2015 at 4:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The personality of Wilhelm ii had a lot to do with Germany's course from 1890-1914.  Killing Wilhelm ii might well have preserved the bismarckian policies and prevented WWI.  No WWI, no hitler.

Actually, another complicated matter. Wilhelm was weak. A sense of grandiosity paired with indecision by all accounts. But there has been an unholy alliance between chancellor Bethman Hollweg and the Austrian minister of foreign affairs Berchtold, who both lied their respective rulers into the war.

No, it doesn't boil down to a single person. If you wanted to kill one single person to prevent WWI, it would be Gavrillo Princip, who never could take the shots at Franz Ferdinand and his wife, thereby preventing the incident setting the wheels in motion. But that of course doesn't say, another one wouldn't have taken his place.

Playing with time is never as easy as it seems.

Hitler has only got one ball,
   Göring has two but very small,
   Himmler has something sim'lar,
   But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.

(November 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: If you really want to cut the tree at the root, kill Paul/Saul.

Even if I give you that Saul or Paul really existed, there were lots and lots of nutters, ready to take his place. Some literally grazing at the banks of the river Jordan.

Given the chance I would talk baby Hitler's mom into signing him up for art lessons asap

(November 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: If you really want to cut the tree at the root, kill Paul/Saul.

Even if I give you that Saul or Paul really existed, there were lots and lots of nutters, ready to take his place. Some literally grazing at the banks of the river Jordan.

Yes, Jewish nutters who likely would have stayed nicely insular. Paul has the distinction of spreading the virus to the Gentiles.

And lest the Christians think I'm being unfair, I'd be glad to go after Muhammad, too.