You can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into.

My current issue with feminism is currently this.

Evidence 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkkOMMmQIg

^not she is lying and harassing a disabled vet who uses a golf club to walk with.

Evidence 2

UVA Rape case

Again lies

Evidence 3

Amherst

Male college student gets raped even with the evidence he gets unjustly punished.

Evidence 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

Note the guy in the video and look how they challenge the guy's first amendment even when they tell him to leave
they push him into a crowd and surround him. They even tried to take away his camera even when he was trying to back away
they kept pushing him forward.

Evidence 5.

Zoey Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, any feminist that was pretty much involved with #gamergate.

Zoey and Anita recently went to the UN to have freedom of speech banned on the internet.
That being said she doesn't want anyone talking using facts against her. She also earns money bitching
and whining about "equality". But i won't digress she has earned so much money from patreon to do another
game tropes and years later nothing she has the money she is earning money from stupid people who really
believe men and woman aren't even equal.

Evidence 6.

If you watch thunderf00t on youtube a feminist tried to get him fired sending letters to the news police department and
even his place of employment calling him a nazi sympathizer.

So all in all i have issue with feminism not the normal feminism i have a issue with feminist extremism.
All in all the feminism movement is dying and you know what good riddance all. For what it's worth
the feminist extremist movement was just a abuse of power and rights. Not to mention all the lies
and you cannot tell me that the new feminist extremism is just not a big hate. It's really fucking obvious
that the new feminists these days hate men but also know they need men to keep the gene pool going.

Plenty of otherwise worthy movements are currently (or have been, at some point in time) drifting for lack of good reps that get quality airtime.  Discrediting a given representative does not discredit a movement, or what the movement represents. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you have a problem with Anita Sarkeesian, for example, rather than stating that you have a problem /w feminism?

(November 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into.

Absolutely.

I love how Sam Harris puts it:

Yeah, I ran into that one on these boards recently, and was reminded of something I should never have forgotten, lol.

(November 15, 2015 at 10:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: [...]
Evidence 5.

Zoey Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, any feminist that was pretty much involved with #gamergate.[...]

LOL
By "involved with" do you mean - "harassed by, up to and including death-threats"? Yeah, I thought so...

F*** #gamergate. A bunch of misogynistic retards, pretending to be concerned about journalistic integrity, when in fact all they're  worried about is the possibility, that women will take away their porn, by forcing game developers to cater to them. F*** every last one of them.

Oh, and f*** thundef00t too...

When game developers start catering to women proper, don't be surprised to find that it's just porn for a different focus group. The men will continue to be burly, deep voiced mounts for weapons of mass destruction, and the women will continue to be fantastically dis-proportionate. Take a look at fashion magazines. Men, and men's desires, aren't the reason they're flying off the shelves with airburshed and photo-shopped models from cover to cover. At some point, it makes little sense to blame ones own purchasing decisions on patriarchy. I love the little "10 ways to drive him crazy" issues...often pointed to as further evidence of patriarchy.....that don't ever seem to contain a single shred of male input, lol. If I'm supposed to be calling the shots, let me call the fuckin shots, eh? Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing that patriarchy is a thing, but since it is....there's no need to point to where it's not, to establish that fact. Meh.

(November 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: When game developers start catering to women proper, don't be surprised to find that it's just porn for a different focus group.

Well - then there will be video game porn for both genders. What's wrong with that?

Nothing.  Just like there's no problem with game developers catering to their market as it stands. They follow the money, this is expected - it's called a "successful business model", not sexism, not patriarchy.

(November 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Nothing.  Just like there's no problem with game developers catering to their market as it stands.  They follow the money, this is expected - it's called a "successful business model", not sexism, not patriarchy.

No argument there. However neglecting half of the population of the planet, when creating products - especially if it's motivated by the need to placate sexists - that's not necessarily a good business model. And death-threats and harassment are definitely not legitimate ways of influencing the market. Surely - if games, that don't cater exclusively to adolescent males are financial disasters - the industry will come off the idea soon enough. And if it turns out that they can push out few more units, when selling to women and men at the same time - then that will become the "successful business model" and #gamergaters will be asked to suck a d*ck, regardless of how much they cry about it.