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A theist dilemma
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To be fair, your question is nonsensical. If I spread the good news about the Easter Bunny when, in fact, I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, how would he judge me? Even Easter Bunny adherents wouldn't be able to answer such a question because they aren't privy to the Easter Bunny's mindset and standards of judging related to such a convoluted and unlikely scenario.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~ Benjamin Franklin
 RE: A theist dilemma
October 13, 2015 at 10:31 am
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2015 at 10:35 am by ApeNotKillApe.)
(October 13, 2015 at 10:17 am)lkingpinl Wrote:(October 13, 2015 at 10:09 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: But consider it from God's point of view, he condemns those who don't believe in him, and condemns liars. From what I understand he measures each act individually as good or sinful and keeps a tally. So when God sees someone like me who doesn't believe in God falsely attesting to God's own existence, how does God judge it? Is it a sin because I don't believe it when I say it? Would it be good if I did believe it when I say it? What if someone else believed me when I said it? Was I doing God's work by committing sin against God? Does God approve of breaking his own Laws? Catholicism had given me the impression that God supposedly keeps a record. You go into the confessional and trade your sins for prayers, right? Like a divine tax rebate.  (October 13, 2015 at 10:31 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:(October 13, 2015 at 10:17 am)lkingpinl Wrote: I'm not sure where you got this idea from in the Judeo-Christian worldview. I will answer your questions based on my subjective opinion and understanding, but as my tagline says, "there is a God, and I'm not Him". This is one of the many issues I have with Catholicism. Treating God as a "forgiveness ATM" makes it completely meaningless. There is no score or tally. The work was finished, completed. All have been forgiven. All one has to do is believe and accept it. That's the nutshell of Grace in the judeo-Christian view.
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(October 13, 2015 at 10:23 am)Strider Wrote: To be fair, your question is nonsensical. If I spread the good news about the Easter Bunny when, in fact, I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, how would he judge me? Even Easter Bunny adherents wouldn't be able to answer such a question because they aren't privy to the Easter Bunny's mindset and standards of judging related to such a convoluted and unlikely scenario. And yet I'm presenting the scenario, Easter Bunny substituted with God. RE: A theist dilemma
October 13, 2015 at 12:09 pm
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2015 at 12:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Let me take a crack at this.
So, you're an atheist - being an atheist is, according to some denominations, sinful. However, if you were to profess the truth of said god (while privately remaining an atheist), this would also, according to some denominations, be sinful. Are you asking whether or not being an atheist under the judeo-christian god concept would be a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" conjecture? The answer to that question is yes. "Grace" the guy above me says, as he references his scapegoating murder-porn promise. This is why you people can't be trusted with hammer and nail. 
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 RE: A theist dilemma
November 18, 2015 at 8:56 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2015 at 8:58 pm by jason_delisle.)
(October 13, 2015 at 8:25 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I am an atheist, and I say God exists. I remain an atheist before, during and after making that statement. I do not believe in God, I say God exists.How can an atheist sin if there is no God. Is an atheist capable of sin? Sent from my SM-N915V using Tapatalk If there is no god then sin does not exist. Sent from my SM-N915V using Tapatalk  (October 13, 2015 at 8:25 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I am an atheist, and I say God exists. I remain an atheist before, during and after making that statement. I do not believe in God, I say God exists. You say, not believe God exists. Yes it's a sin, God says no man has an excuse for disbelieving because of creation. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(October 13, 2015 at 10:37 am)Kingpin Wrote:(October 13, 2015 at 10:31 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Catholicism had given me the impression that God supposedly keeps a record. You go into the confessional and trade your sins for prayers, right? Like a divine debt collectors office? If I may not all have been forgiven, only those who accept what Christ did and who He is. I agree there is no score or tally, but records are keep, not for God but for us. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 RE: A theist dilemma
November 19, 2015 at 12:49 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2015 at 12:54 am by Athene.)
(October 13, 2015 at 9:54 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I'll specify: By the standards of the Judeo-Christian God, is it a sinful action to say "God exists" if I don't believe it? No. By the standards of the Judeo-Christian God, it's true that God exists. You've spoken the truth, whether you believe it or not. You get off on a technicality. Your ass is still gonna fry for not believing, though. 
 (November 19, 2015 at 12:45 am)Godschild Wrote:(October 13, 2015 at 10:37 am)Kingpin Wrote: This is one of the many issues I have with Catholicism. Treating God as a "forgiveness ATM" makes it completely meaningless. There is no score or tally. The work was finished, completed. All have been forgiven. All one has to do is believe and accept it. That's the nutshell of Grace in the judeo-Christian view. Also not all loving either considering god and jesus do not like the handicap or deformed.
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