I deactivated my facebook account so that I would no longer have to view the idiocy people post.

(December 9, 2015 at 11:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(December 9, 2015 at 10:52 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You know that it's better to consider somebodies idea then just dismiss it pejoratively right? I disagree totally with mandatory military service, but this does happen in first world countries. You going to tell the Swiss, Danish, or Finnish government that two years in the military is stupid bullshit and they are just a bunch of fucking idiots?

Maybe research, learn, think about it and then dismiss the idea.

We can't afford it and the Pentagon doesn't want it.

I didn't say it was a good idea. I just think Cijin is throwing a silly temper tantrum over nothing.

I object to being forced into a position where I'm given a gun and expected to kill people because my government say so.

As for stupid stuff on Facebook, I unfollow people who post things I consider stupid. Did it to an ex-boyfriend I otherwise get along with.

(December 9, 2015 at 11:45 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(December 9, 2015 at 11:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We can't afford it and the Pentagon doesn't want it.

I didn't say it was a good idea. I just think Cijin is throwing a silly temper tantrum over nothing.

Charlie Rangel introduced such a bill in Bush the Dumber's second term knowing full-well that the republicunts would never pass it because it did not exempt their kids.

(December 10, 2015 at 12:42 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(December 9, 2015 at 11:45 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I didn't say it was a good idea. I just think Cijin is throwing a silly temper tantrum over nothing.

Charlie Rangel introduced such a bill in Bush the Dumber's second term knowing full-well that the republicunts would never pass it because it did not exempt their kids.

You know, I actually vaguely remember that. I guess according to Cijin though, that 15 term Democratic congressman with a purple heart, bronze star and a law degree who was a civil rights lawyer is a 'fucking idiot.'

Oh, Charlie knew exactly what he was doing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...76_pf.html

Quote:Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

(December 10, 2015 at 12:58 am)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, Charlie knew exactly what he was doing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...76_pf.html

Quote:Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

Actually I can remember the article I read on it (because when I read something I don't agree with, I tend to research rather than pound my fists and call people cunts) I do think that even though he knew it would be defeated, it was something he believed in. I'm working off of memory but it was something like: in the current system minorities and poor people share too much burden of war, which would be spread out to rich and middle class white people if we had compulsory service. An interesting argument and one you are likely to never find and consider when your base reaction is to just call people an idiot when they have ideas that are different than yours.

I grew up in a country with compulsory military service. Consequently our army was sh*t, it was a giant waste of time for young people trying to find proper work, or start a family and consequently anyone with any sense was doing their best to avoid it - usually by bribing doctors and/or simulating a chronic illness.

Personally, I decided I wasn't going to put myself through this totalitarian nonsense, so I left the country. The army looked for me for a bunch of years, but then they thought better of it and scrapped the mandatory service in favor of smaller, but better funded professional army.

But anyway - forcing everyone into gun-training, so that half of the population can keep using their toys for a while longer - yeah, that sounds like that famous American "Freedum"...

I hate militaries, I hate guns and I hate war. War is just politics taken out on the lives of millions of people. It's disgusting.
I may get shit for saying it but I also hate how war is being glorified, especially in the US.

(December 9, 2015 at 11:43 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I can totally disagree with something and not think that everyone who holds a commonly held and much practiced belief is an idiot.

That's great. So can I ... just not on this issue. Especially since mandatory military service (MMS) is NOT a commonly held and much practiced belief in the USA, which is the country I very clearly referenced in my OP as "my fellow Americans".

Quote:I don't really now what to say if you think of that as really stupid. If you considered it maybe you would make an argument other than 'this is stupid and so is every fucking idiot who believes in it.'

I can and have made a very good argument against it, but I don't have to in this situation. It's that painfully obvious. You act like I have to justify why I think Americans who might support such idiocy are indeed fucking idiots. Are you telling me that I have to plead my case to a guy who actually agrees with me?? This is ridiculous. Are you the vitriol police? If I want to call rednecks who play with snakes and stick firecrackers in their ass fucktards do I have to research, learn and then present an argument for your approval???

Capn, if you or anyone else thinks that the best way to fix the US gun problem is to arm everyone, make 'em a Marine, and teach them how to kill people than yes, you are an idiot and I do not feel any need to explain to you why I feel that way.

Quote:Capslocking stuff and yelling and insulting people while presenting nothing of substance doesn't give you much of a moral high ground.

What yelling? 
As I understand it, caps locking is only yelling if you do it throughout a sentence.  Otherwise it's merely a way of expressing EMPHASIS by catching the eye.'
Also, I don't see how this has anything to do with morality. Being a soldier or even killing people is not somehow against my moral code. I'm against war because I love peace and prosperity and I'd like to see my great grand children have a wonderful life.